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[–] TWeaK@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago

Copenhagen pretty much has this. So easy to get around everywhere.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 81 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I've been saying for years "self driving cars are solving the wrong problem". The problem isn't that I have to steer my car. The problem is I need a fucking car to go anywhere worth going.

[–] vivalapivo@lemmy.today 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But then this problem will be solved for those who can't afford it. This is simply not fair to those who are hardworking to earn their salary

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] vivalapivo@lemmy.today 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Soup@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Obvious enough, but people are crazy and I’ve seen people here with even worse opinions.

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 63 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (13 children)

I saw a video recently by a car enthusiast who hates the idea of self driving cars for a novel reason.

Even if self-driving cars are safer than people it won’t stop bad owners. People who drive with unsafe mechanical issues they can’t or won’t get fixed are still going to exist, and bald tires and worn brakes would eliminate any potential safety benefits of self driving.

And by further removing people from the operation of a car, you’re making them worse owners. They won’t know what a worn tie rod bushing would feel like because they never steer. Making cars into appliances just makes them less safe.

He also made a point that I agree with: If we get people who don’t want to drive off the road, the roads would be nicer for people who do want to drive.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago

Back when I used to agree with Mush, he said something I still agree with, "you don't want flying cars, because you don't want a poorly maintained car to fly around and lose a hubcap".

[–] paranoia@feddit.dk 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

People who drive with unsafe mechanical issues they can’t or won’t get fixed are still going to exist, and bald tires and worn brakes would eliminate any potential safety benefits of self driving.

In European nations we just inspect the shit out of every car to ensure safety. The car must be mechanically satisfactory and have adequate brakes, tyres, etc.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

In the US only 19 states have mandatory periodic safety inspections

[–] scott@lemmy.org 15 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Also having worked in the industry the "if" in "Even if self-driving cars are safer than people" is carrying the weight of the sun. You might be able to get them safer than humans in a specific subset of circumstances but I would never trust one.

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[–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 12 points 3 days ago (10 children)

I somewhat disagree with this. If you can feel worn tires, brakes, or suspension bushings, it's easy to imagine the car feeling them and raising a service alert, and locking out if not appropriately serviced.

Vendor lock-in and enshittification, baby.

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[–] rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I'm hearing you want continental Europe

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Shame that they don't want me. ;_;

* exceptions may apply

[–] atthecoast@feddit.nl 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

New York City, Washington DC, Boston, MA?

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

SD, LA, SF, Sacramento, Portland, Seattle, Vancouver

Please.

[–] atthecoast@feddit.nl 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’m realizing these cities were founded in colonial times by Europeans

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

.... yes? not sure what that has to do with high speed rail but you're not wrong.

[–] Yupa@ani.social 3 points 2 days ago

*western continental Europe

[–] ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Or even

Wait for it

SELF DRIVING TRANSIT

Which yes is already a thing too

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Okay

but what, hear me out now.

What if we just got a bunch of self driving cars.

and we linked them together to increase capacities.

and had them run on a dedicated path

and create special locations where these car links come and go on a regular schedule, so people can get on and off predictably?

It'll be new, neverbefore seen, and revolutionary! /s

[–] ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 7 hours ago

"did the tech industry just reinvent the subway again"

[–] rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 days ago

And much easier to implement than self driving cars

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

somebody should do a compilation including data about:

  • the costs of public transport against private cars, for the whole city
  • the space consumption for parking your private cars in a city compared to the space consumption for all public transport vehicles

and make a statistics and post it here

[–] Bashnagdul@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

They have (I've seen them, but don't have a link sorry) and car free or semi car free with good bike and public infrastructure is almost always cheaper and more efficient

[–] TerranFenrir@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Self driving buses though can be very useful!

No labor cost to drive the bus means it suddenly becomes a lot cheaper to operate buses with less capacity. Meaning, more frequent buses in low density neighborhoods.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago (33 children)

Lets go a step farther and put that bus on tracks, which will make it even easier and safer to implement self driving.

[–] mapleseedfall@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

maybe we can connect multiple busses together and that way it can carry more on the same track!

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