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I just saw Revenge of the Sith again (lemmy.world)

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Fuck, I forgot how sad that movie is.

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It's crazy to think Anakin could have had everything he ever wanted. He would have been granted the rank of master in due time, he could have lived happily ever after with the woman he loved. But instead he was groomed and manipulated by some creepy old fuck. It's really sad.

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[–] el_muerte@lemm.ee 13 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It was so incredibly sad, Natalie Portman died of sadness. I always thought that sort of thing was reserved for people who lost their spouse of fifty years, and kind of really only worked because they were super old anyway.

I dunno why Anakin didn't just bail on the whole Jedi thing after they told him he couldn't be with Padme. It's not like his Force powers were dependant on an active membership or something; he could've just quit, married his smoking hot Senator wife without having to hide it, and remained her personal bodyguard without all the control and manipulation from the Jedi.

Pretty fuckin' stupid too how he sided with Palpatine when he was Force lightning-ing Mace Windu and Mace was merely defending himself with his lightsaber, though I can kind of understand how he'd reached a breaking point. But then, he's just like "In for a penny, in for a pound, I guess I'm completely evil now" and goes to kill a bunch of children, many of whom he probably not only knew but likely participated to some extent in their training... that's even lazier storytelling than "Somehow, Palpatine returned."

Oh yeah, gotta give a shout out to "You can't win, I have the high ground!" coming from the guy who defeated Darth Maul while he had the high ground. Fuckin' brilliant.

One of my favourite things is how the prequel trilogy very justifiably got shat all over in the years following its release, until comparatively recently when the Internet just collectively decided that it was actually really good and people only claimed to dislike it because they thought it was cool to hate.

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

... the kids who grew up with the prequels became the majority on the internet. The original hate was from those who grew up with the original Trilogy.

[–] IceyPea@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm defs one of those kids. I think the prequels hate is being blown out of proportion to discredit the sequels hate. My dad loved OGs and the prequels. I grew up playing all the snes star wars games. Darth Vader gave me nightmares watching the OGs in preparation for TPM. We saw Episodes 1 & 2 in theatre together. At school Phantom Menace was THE most culturally relevant thing to us kids I can remember before 9/11.

So people lose me with the "Sequels are the young generation's Star Wars" argument. Cuz my generation didn't reject the OG's at all. Everyone I knew as a kid was collecting star wars cards/lego from both TPM and OGs.

IMO Star Wars fans we're well within their rights to have higher expectations of the sequels than the prequels... for the simple fact that the sequels are the end of the saga. People can push through a slow start but a story with a bad ending is never cherished.

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Grew up, in this case, would mean your childhood included said media. Yeah, you had the OT in your childhood too, but the prequels weren't strangers there either. Adult star wars fans at the time wanted something for their nostalgia.

[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I read in a Star Wars book that Palpatine killed Padme with the force or something to kill any human emotion left in Anakin. The scene where he yells Nooooooooooooooo you can see him grinning. Maybe this is one of those now non-canon things.

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Not a book, it's purely fan theory. Canon explanation is she died of sadness. Even book versions of the movie would corroborate this.

[–] ech@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's almost like characters can be complex and flawed and not make perfect decisions forever 🙄

Also, do you chastise partners in abusive relationships for not "just bailing"? Like, we have irl examples of how relationships like this work. And you're saying " whY dIDn'T hE JusT lEaVe?/??/?" like it's insightful?

[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I guess a "troubled person" would just thoughtlessly kill a bunch of kids he spent quite some time with on a whim.

[–] ech@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

"On a whim". No need to take into account the 3+ movies of context preceding that one scene, I guess.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I mean, not like it was his fault only, I blame the council who decided that "hmm, what if we force this young and insecure young man to spy on someone he deeply admires?" is the right course of action.

In general the Jedi are a cult forcing their members to get rid of emotions (which backfires like all the time) and I'm not sure there were any good sides in the prequels.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 4 points 2 days ago

Definitely as you get older you realize the Jedi were not perfect. They had grown complacent, and clung to ideals over common sense. Obi wan was the only one who saw anakin's struggle and said hey buddy I understand, but soon.

The council was too preoccupied with themselves to take the second and explain why. "Your power is great, but we're nervous of who is pushing you into this role. Give it time to allow us all to build trust and we're positive you will quickly become master". The fact that they didn't see that shows how blind they were

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Episodes 1, 2, 3 I watched older and kinda had the same realisation.

On one side, you've got an Empire that brought peace, thriving economies, and a democratic government where everyone's heard. But their morals are awful.

On the other side you've got people all for freedom, but take children, forbid them of family and sex, make them religious radicals, and support terrorists that have no real plans.

These options are shit and shittier, and people kill over them because they've drunk the kool-aid of one of them. It reminds me of current society. I like to think Luke's inexplicable hermit life was because of that realisation.

Personally, I'd side with the Empire. But it's not like I'd be happy about it. Just assume over generations it gets better, lest they lose control and that's all they want.

But take the pros from both and you got Han. What a loveable character. Flaws are natural, not intentional. Vote Han.

[–] gothic_lemons@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Evidence that the empire brought peace? Pretty sure they were fighting the rebels and building a super weapon to blow up planets?

Also the empire brought democratic government where everyone's heard? Is that in Andor? I've only seen a couple episodes of it. Pre empire there was the galactic senate which from my limited understanding was pretty chill. Yeah they might have relied on the problematic Jedi order too much, but the Jedi Order didn't have absolute influence over the galactic republic.

Let's check the children's treatment of Jedi younglings under both systems. Jedi controlled and indoctrinated younglings into their order. The empire, worked to deradicalize the younglings and give them therapy and help them reintegrate into society. Wait.. checks notes... sorry my mistake they slaughtered as many as they could, then spent decades hunting the rest...

[–] happydoors@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago

It’s kindof fascinating finding “the empire was right” people in 2025. Mirrors reality. It’s like poetry, it rhymes.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I kinda think this story would've been better if it had been left an untold mystery. Way too much "this has to happen like this so that the original trilogy can happen as it did".

Still better than 7-9 though.

[–] SirSamuel@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Still better than 7-9 though.

I don't know why you're comparing Seven of Nine to an entire movie trilogy. I think she's a pretty cool character, catsuit not withstanding.

Speaking of Star Wars though, it would've been cool if they made a series of movies with the original cast set later in life. You know, like a sequel trilogy of some sort. I guess with Carrie Fisher gone that's a lost cause. A real shame.

I guess we have to deal with the reality that a sequel trilogy has never and will never be made

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

That, and the issue of the jedi.