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[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 353 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Don't just move to Codeberg; donate to them too.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 91 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Codeberg has a lot of restrictions regarding private repositories and... complicated verbiage regarding what licenses they want for public repositories.

For public repositories... do you think that MS et al can't already scrape all of that?

I am all for telling MS to go fuck themselves. But it is important people actually understand what they are and aren't getting in terms of privacy and the like. It is like how people still sometimes pretend that the completely open site where just about anyone can run an instance has LESS ai scraping than a reddit.

[–] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 74 points 2 weeks ago

The key point about codeberg as I understand it is it’s meant for foss projects. It’s not really much more complex than that. Want to host non-free software, or want to use it for your company’s private code repository? They don’t want that on their servers, so either find an alternative or self-host forgejo, which is the same code (derived from gitea) that powers codeberg itself.

[–] mitch@piefed.mitch.science 29 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

i just wanted to drop my personal favorite self-hosted git alternative, Gogs (gogs.io). i have very modest git needs (i just need a place to host code and interact with the git client), and i think it fits the bill well.

i am not associated with it at all, i just want folks to know that self-hosting your own git service has really never been easier or better; there are so many good options, like a similar project, gitea.

if you are uncomfortable with exposing your home network to the internet, you can use tools like tailscale funnel or a reverse proxy server like caddy and a $5 VPS from any cloud host of your choosing to obscure your home IP, while still keeping the storage and the brains somewhere closeby.

imo, the only way forward for all of us to stay safe is to keep repeating a simple mantra: “let’s go back to making websites.”

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[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 217 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)
[–] Sxan@piefed.zip 171 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

It was dead when MS bought it. Software developers aren't immune to denial.

[–] medem@lemmy.wtf 74 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

People not realising (or not caring enough about) the irony that more than 80% of open source projects are hosted in a platform which is a) not open source and b) owned by M$ has always been a mistery to me.

[–] _edge@discuss.tchncs.de 51 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

b) is a recent(*) change. GitHub was independent when it became big

a) GitHub was never open-source, but by combing git and great UI/UX, it was a good choice.

Git is open-source and the distributed nature of git reduces the vendor-lock-in. You need to understand where we came from (svn or git to some ssh server). Coming from self-hosted git, embracing github did not take away your power over your own source code; you still had a copy of all branches on multiple machines. The world is different now, where github has become a single-point of failure.

(*) Update: Okay, maybe 2018 was not recently, but my point stands. GitHub existed long before the Microsoft purchase.

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[–] mitch@piefed.mitch.science 25 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

i am old in terms of internet years, and Bill Gates really is living proof that billionaires can essentially destroy the lives of thousands and thousands of people to gather their wealth, and then spend the autumn of their years choosing which countries or causes get a splash-out of the unfathomable excess, like a little kinglet.

i am happy his money helped fix stuff in the world. but that’s called “catching up to what has been expected of you for 60 years.” he does not get a cookie for working out of the Andrew Carnegie playbook.

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[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Even sadder: people who don't know that git is not the same as github.

more than 80% of open source projects

Really? I know that many OS projects are developed elsewhere and only mirrored on github. Even the Linux kernel. But maybe github's "coproduction" isn't read only.

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[–] tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de 59 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Long live Microsoft 365 Copilot CodeShare Professional

[–] iii@mander.xyz 42 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Finally we can do collaborative coding in powerpoint, put it on sharepoint, and have copilot link it to issues in teams.

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[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago

I didn't have many but I'm pulling all my repos from GitHub.

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[–] phirdowak@programming.dev 172 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Are we moving to Codeberg now?

[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 84 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Or your own server. But yeah this is not so good for the rest of us. They are doubling down on AI.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

Self hosting for your own needs is great but you won't get the "drive by" contributions you get from shared platforms. On GitHub, Gitlab, and Codeberg, if I even see as little as a typo in the readme file, I open a pull request. I will not sign up on a hundred different git hosters for stuff like that.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 44 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

So what you're saying is that we need federated git.

[–] kybean@pawb.social 31 points 2 weeks ago

Forgejo, the software project powering Codeberg, is working on adding federation but it's got a long way to go before it's a usable feature

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[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 31 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

There's plenty alternatives.

  • Sourcehut sr.ht (possibly other instances)
  • Various gitlab instances, e.g. framagit.org
  • not to mention git's own web ui which runs under so many domains; some of them might even be open to signups.
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[–] mintiefresh@piefed.ca 23 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

I would like to but I do want some private repos.

Maybe self hosting is the best move from here on in.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 23 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

A forge like Codeberg is great for collaboration, but if you mean private as in just-for-yourself, pushing to a bare repo on just about anything will get it done. No need for a software forge. If you already sync files somehow, like some dropbox equivelant, put bare repos on there and push/pull from there. That said, forgejo is very easy to self-host and the identical UI to Codeberg.

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[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 150 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

It blows my mind that so many devs did not see this coming the moment Microsoft bought it. I was waiting for this to happen the moment I found out about the acquisition.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 49 points 2 weeks ago

I’m only surprised it took this long.

[–] Squiddork@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

Pretty sure I had Embrace Extend Extinguish as my 'status' when microsoft inevitably introduced that linkedin style social media bullshit to a git server.

Plenty of good alternatives out there, or roll your own!

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[–] TwinTitans@lemmy.world 79 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Everything M$ touches dies. What a fucking shocker.

[–] witten@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Now if only they could work that magic on ICE and IDF. (Microsoft is in bed with both.)

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[–] lime360@kbin.earth 76 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

i don't think being owned by a shitty billionare company counts as independent

[–] AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 44 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I believe that's probably why they specify in the headline "at Microsoft" rather than just "independent."

You can have an independent division within a company that doesn't get orders from the company's main CEO, or you can have it be fully under that person's oversight. It used to be a separate division with its own management, now it's not, thus it's no longer internally independent.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 32 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Huge différence when you have an executive team that can say no.

Now that the No guys are out, MS CoreAI team can do whatever the fuck they want.

I should have deleted my data earlier.

[–] AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 22 points 2 weeks ago

You've still got time. Even when management transitions, it takes MUCH longer for actual systems and processes to catch up to the new "vision" they have for it.

If you want to delete your data, now would be the time before they actually start implementing any new practices.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 70 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

So they're just going to use GitHub as a code training dataset? Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

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[–] marlowe221@lemmy.world 63 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

The real question is…. WHY DOES AZURE DEVOPS STILL EXIST?!?!?

[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Our company runs everything on Azure. We use windows PCs, Visual Studio Professional, C# .Net, outlook, teams, etc.

We make enterprise software and I am happy really. I wasn’t at the start but as time goes on I don’t care, I do my job and go home.

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[–] josefo@leminal.space 54 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

This is the most infuriating, heartbreaking and lame thing ever. AI bros are just a bunch of losers ruining stuff for everyone.

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[–] sad_detective_man@lemmy.dbzer0.com 52 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

shit, whats this going to mean for repos like massgrave? will microsoft enforce shitty policies against DIY software that's published there if it violates somebody's terms of use?

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 62 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

I'm finding this kind of Pikachu surprised face meme worthy, really.

We all know and knew that GitHub is Microsoft's. We all know that Microsoft is fucking evil, yet everyone and their mother have their main repo management with GitHub.

W.T.F.

what did you expect would happen, sooner rather than later?

Well technically nothing has happened yet, but you can imagine the fun that is coming

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[–] finix_the_psyker@sopuli.xyz 28 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Just move to codeberg or a similar site.

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[–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 45 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (7 children)

I'm just waiting for Forgejo federation to be a thing, and some sort of definitive website for discovering projects. Right now, even though I do have my slefhosted forgejo instance, I still need to keep my code on GitHub, or no-one else will ever know about it.

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[–] rozodru@lemmy.world 44 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Didn't this clown literally say like lastweek that if you're a dev and you're not using AI to get out? well...he's out and look what happens.

Move to Codeberg, donate to them, or self host your git repos.

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[–] reluctant_squidd@lemmy.ca 39 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

The ensh*tification continues. Time for community git to somehow be federated like lemmy.

Some sort of encrypted collective sharing of the whole through BitTorrent style shared hosting.

I would seriously consider donating a few TB space and half my bandwidth to that.

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 50 points 2 weeks ago

Git has always been decentralized. That was one of its purposes. Sites like GitHub, Gitlab, etc actually went against the grain and centralized them; I personally believe this helped popularize git back in the days of CVS and Subversion being the two most popular version control systems.

Git patches were made to be email friendly as a means of distributing code between developers — it’s how the Linux kernel does it (or did, I’m not up to date on their current practices).

[–] Pamasich@kbin.earth 31 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Time for community git to somehow be federated like lemmy.

Already being worked on for a while. It's called ForgeFed and being developed by Forgejo (the software powering codeberg). It's an extension to the ActivityPub protocol, which is also powering the fediverse.

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[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 28 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So long and thanks for all the fish indeed

And, which is the real Copilot now? Fuck MS and their terrible terrible naming.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 19 points 2 weeks ago

Side note, now that GH is in Microsoft “CoreAI” it just feels even more gross than before.

My data is front and foremost the product.

I’ve been self hosting forgejo for a few months and it’s pretty nice plus low maintenance. It does all the stuff I care about. I might have to just make a public instance and figure out how federation works or join codeberg or something.

[–] iglou@programming.dev 26 points 2 weeks ago

... Was it ever since they got bought?

[–] loveknight@programming.dev 22 points 2 weeks ago

We've been warned. (And unsurprisingly, Roy Schestowitz is being bomarbed by Microsofters with a chain of SLAPP suits.)

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