cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/29410228

Pakistan has launched attacks on "multiple targets" across India, according to the media wing of Pakistan's military.

In a statement, Pakistan said it has unleashed Operation Bunyan ul Marsoos (Solid Wall of Steel) in response to what it calls "continuous provocation" by India.

"Multiple targets in this operation are being engaged all across India," the statement added.

Pakistan's military said it used medium-range Fateh missiles to strike a missile storage facility and airbases in Pathankot and Udhampur.

The AP news agency said loud explosions have been heard in Indian-controlled Kashmir, in the disputed region's two big cities of Srinagar and Jammu, and the garrison town of Udhampur.

Meanwhile, an Indian military source told Reuters that India has launched air operations in Pakistan, although no further details were given.

Pakistan's military posted footage on X showing missiles being fired from what appeared to be a mobile launcher.

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[–] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (14 children)

If this escalates into a all out war I'm curious to see whose side the average Lemmy user will be taking. I tried doing some research into the history of this conflict and it seems so messy that from my point of view pretty much both sides are to blame.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    IMO

    Modi is Trump light, but Pakistan is led by a combination of ignorance, misogyny, and incompetence that is geopolitically destabilizing.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The ultimate colprit is British colonialism, and the way the border is drawn after they left

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    That's my intrepretation of it as well but that doesn't really offer any solutions or clarity to the current situation. In most conflicts like this you can always go even further back in history to justify your cause.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago*

    India.

    Modi is bad, but it's still a democracy while Pakistan is literally a fascist junta founded on genocide while India is a multicultural nation who has religious tolerance in their constitution.

    As an atheist, Pakistan is the opposite of everything I believe in.

    Not counting all their terrorism over the decades including supporting the taliban and bin ladin.

    Course, would prefer if modi died in a fire, but even at its worst Pakistan can't compare.

    Inb4 .mls start screaming that Pakistan is the true victim and India is worse than Israel, which is ironic because Pakistan literally either expelled or exterminated all their Hindus at the partition.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm not informed enough to take a side.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    The sides have been changing a bit with Pakistan v china relations and India supporting Russia during the war. It's a bit complex. Pakistan still has laws that give the death sentence for apostasy, but while India doesn't the ultra nationalist Hindu party under Modi have been harassing and killing Muslims, so they are effectively doing the same thing. The US has been a bit cool towards Pakistan after the afghan war finally ended. But they still sell them lots of high end military equipment, much better quality than the Soviet slop India has.

    I encourage you to read up on the history. It's quite interesting.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan%E2%80%93United_States_relations

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  • [+] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Mean people like you never cease to amaze me. You could’ve just shared your personal view on the subject, and we might’ve had an insightful discussion - but instead, your first instinct is to insult a complete stranger who openly admitted they’re not very well informed on the topic. We’ve literally never even interacted before, and you come at me with “fuck offs” out of nowhere. I genuinely struggle to express how mind-boggling this kind of unwarranted and completely unnecessary online hostility is to me.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    So, do people want the footballer turned president turned didn't sign the right form when getting married so they are now in jail for life person back? Or is a Pakistani military junta still what the USA wants?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Do we have a good instance for tangible rumors? Major media is so stale that if it was bread you could use it as a weapon, and anything on reddit is brigaded by both sides. I was hoping Institute for the Study of War would start daily updates, but they seem set on staying on Ukraine and Iran for now. Any help appreciated, because this is a pile of fertilizer soaked in diesel and both sides are throwing grenades at it.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    "India"

    Indian administered Kashmir

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    There were also attacks on Indian states bordering Pakistan other than Kashmir.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    Yeah but that's not what this report is on

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Most of the attacks are in rest of India.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Okay I'm sure we'll see reports on those too

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Jammu is not Kashmir BTW. And you can see the reports if you go to a news site of your preference.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Jammu is Kashmir; Jammu and Kashmir is the name of Indian-administered Kashmir.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Jammu is not Kashmir. Ladakh is not Kashmir. Kashmir is Kashmir. The name of the place is Jammu & Kashmir because that's how India administers it. The demography, geography, and even the languages are separate.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Jammu[a] and Kashmir[b] (abbr. J&K) is a region administered by India as a union territory[1] and consists of the southern portion of the larger Kashmir region,

    Ladakh (/ləˈdɑːk/)[10] is a region administered by India as a union territory[1] and constitutes an eastern portion of the larger Kashmir region that has been the subject of a dispute between India and Pakistan since 1947 and India and China since 1959.

    -Wikipedia.

    The name of the place is Jammu & Kashmir because that's how India administers it.

    Okay and? What point are you even trying to make? Because that's an administrative distinction that has no relation at all to the subject at hand.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Nuance matters when the conflict is due to the region being talked about?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    How is that nuance relevant here? Because again, the conflict between Pakistan and India (and China) is over Kashmir the region, not a particular administrative division. Pakistan claims all of Jammu and Kashmir and also Ladakh, and the anti-Indian insurgency and Indian reign of terror are in Jammu and Kashmir. When it comes to relations and conflicts with Pakistan, Jammu is Kashmir.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    I don't know if you are Pakistani or not but they claim none of Kashmir or Jammu or Ladakh. They claim that it should be an independent country. They just shelter "freedom fighters" who are militants/terrorists in the region. And since religion plays a big role in their claim, demography of the region is damn important. Also Jammu and Ladakh aren't the areas where Indian govt rules with such a heavy hand as they do in Kashmir.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    I don't know if you are Pakistani or not but they claim none of Kashmir or Jammu or Ladakh. They claim that it should be an independent country.

    I'm not Pakistani, but this information is easily available on Wikipedia.

    Though these regions are in practice administered by their respective claimants, neither India nor Pakistan has formally recognised the accession of the areas claimed by the other. India claims those areas, including the area "ceded" to China by Pakistan in the Trans-Karakoram Tract in 1963, are a part of its territory, while Pakistan claims the entire region excluding Aksai Chin and Trans-Karakoram Tract.

    -Wikipedia on Kashmir. Also if you open the Wikipedia page on Pakistan or India you'll find that Kashmir is highlighted as "territory claimed but not controlled". Also while I'm not familiar with the details, Indian repression is very much existent in all of Jammu and Kashmir. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_abuses_in_Jammu_and_Kashmir#Massacres

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    At least read the link you are sharing my man. Also Wikipedia doesn't provide enough context for you to understand the conflict.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    At least read the link you are sharing my man.

    I did.

    Also Wikipedia doesn't provide enough context for you to understand the conflict.

    True enough, but I'm not trying to understand the conflict or making a deep point that would require such an understanding. I'm just saying that Kashmir division and Kashmir are different things. Also while they're not especially committed, both Pakistan and India have "we own Kashmir" as their official position. This isn't controversial stuff; it's literally what both sides are saying in public.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I know you guys are arguing, but I want to compliment both of you for pulling from good sources and trying to make relevant point to each other - I just went looking for anything useful on reddit and it’s full of clear brigading trying to crow the loudest about how they won and the other side wants to punch your dog.

    So honestly, thank you for both being to a higher standard, even when you disagree.

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