You herd the group of cats that are all my friends, family, and work colleagues and get them to use a standard app that's not Facebook Messenger. 😆 You'll have to forgive me if I don't wait.

RCS, seriously? Not sure how that is outside the US, but it's a total non-starter if you're not using your phone in a Google-blessed configuration. Rooted? No RCS for you. No Google Play Services? No RCS for you. Don't like "Google Messages" and want to use any other messaging app? Believe it or not, no RCS for you.

Maybe if the day ever comes where Google is excised from the RCS infrastructure it'll be a viable option, but as it stands ( at least in the US where I have experience with it), it's definitely not a replacement for SMS.

[–] voracitude@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

You herd the group of cats that are all my friends, family, and work colleagues and get them to use a standard app that's not Facebook Messenger

So much this, it hurts. Signal removing SMS support was the biggest setback to getting my friends and family to adopt secure messaging. I had such a huge percentage of people actually switching because they could use just the one app, and then Signal went and fucked it all right to hell! Now I'm back to a handful of contacts on Signal.

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Fuck RCS. The end.

[–] IcedRaktajino@startrek.website 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I mean, RCS as a technology is fine. Just needs Google and Apple out of the mix. If it wants to replace SMS, it needs to be a carrier-run system.

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It still requires lock-in to a device. That's utterly antithetical to network design concepts established in the 80's.

It violates the OSI model of layer independence.

[–] IcedRaktajino@startrek.website 4 points 2 days ago

I agree, but so does SMS/MMS. I'm only comparing apples to apples as far as the default messaging experience on the device is concerned.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Let's hope that the alternatives stay legal and uncompromized.

And I wish most people my age that I personally know gave enough of a shit to install a messaging app.

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It'll be hard to outlaw XMPP. or at least enforce it in any meaningful way that won't break other things. And it supports encryption, though imperfectly.

One positive, it's pretty simple to self-host and apply whatever extensions you wish.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

People who would rather use Facebook Messenger than Signal definitely aren't going to use XMPP. XMPP clients just aren't user-friendly enough, especially if you want to use encryption and you and your communication partner don't use the same client.

And I'd assume, if they make E2EE illegal, that E2EE XMPP would also be illegal. Maybe the US would specifically ban Signal, but the EU would definitely be more thorough about banning E2EE.

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 5 points 2 days ago

XMPP has been around since the 90's, both AOL Messenger and Google used it.