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[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 207 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Rich people go to Hell. You don't get to go to Heaven if you're a billionaire. Sorry. But if you hoard enough wealth to live a thousand lifetimes, then you have received your reward.

So many Christians just can't accept that Jesus was a poor person that believed rich people all go to Hell.

[–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 101 points 1 week ago (16 children)

If only Hell existed and if only it all wasn't a ruse to placate people in to accepting their poor lot in life so the rich can continue to not be eaten by the poor.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 20 points 1 week ago (9 children)

It's a state of mind, according to Jesus (Luke 17:21).

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's weird that state of mind includes burning hellfire

Mark 9:43

If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life maimed than to have two hands and to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Metaphor, allegory, analogy. Matthew 13:10 otherwise you could end up in prison, dead, or exiled. Oh look, we've come full circle.

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[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (3 children)

To be honest, it's kind of surprising that the prosperity gospel only took off fairly recently. "Get rich and feel good about it" is an easy sell.

There's a fantastic book called "Dominion: the creation of the western mind" that takes an academic, secular and factual approach to the early Church, as you might imagine, specifically in relation to our worldview here.

According to them, it took so long because of just how genuinely anti-wealth the bible is. It literally took centuries of work to push it round to the "gospel according business owners" we have today.

Ironically, a fair few of the reformations throughout the centuries were due to the wealth accumulated by the church and the outrage that could be drummed up by wild holy men, who would appear infinitely more saintly than a gold-clad bishop, all the way up to large parts of early protestant outrage.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 63 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I was so hopeful I could be a Catholic again

It's so fucking funny, because there are plenty of American Catholic Churches packed wall-to-wall with haters, losers, and chuds. There are plenty of reactionary priests. FFS, there's an entire sect - Opus Dei - for them to congregate and self-flagellate and sexually assault their kids.

The idea that you can't be Catholic because the Pope doesn't share your politics... Brother! Martin Luther died a Catholic!

[–] obsoleteacct@lemmy.zip 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Just the idea of selecting your faith is weird to me. I can understand a person who has a firm conviction that X religion and it's dogma are divine truth and feeling compelled to follow it. Even if it's not for me, I can understand that.

I don't understand someone who's like "I don't actually believe in any of this, but I want to be in the cool kids club. I just can't unless you fix some of these things that Jesus said". Who tf is giving Jesus notes?

It just seems to me that Catholic isn't a thing you aspire to be, or a thing you turn on and off like a lamp. You either believe Catholicism is the dogma of God himself, or you should have no interest in being a part of it.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

It just seems to me that Catholic isn’t a thing you aspire to be, or a thing you turn on and off like a lamp

This person is Conservative first and Catholic as a cultural touchstone. Like, they enjoy the ambience of the church, but they don't really care for the morality of scripture or the politics of any priest outside their ideological nook.

The joke's been made a thousand times, but this is how you get Protestants.

Dude already chose a different religion long ago and its name is capitalism.

[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 62 points 1 week ago

Fucking cult lunatics. Just remember that the Pope is till playing hide the pedo priest. Maybe that will restore their β€œfaith”

[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 51 points 1 week ago (4 children)

There is no hate like christian love.

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[–] Eddbopkins@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago (2 children)

its unreal how uncatholic most Catholics are.

[–] NeilBru@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

It's unreal how ~~uncatholic~~ ~~unchristian~~ irreligious most ~~catholics~~ ~~christians~~ religious people are.

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's unreal how ~~uncatholic~~ ~~unchristian~~ unreligeous most ~~catholics~~ ~~christians~~ religeous are.

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[–] phar@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago

I find the evangelical Christians to be far worse (at least in the US). If you can imagine that

[–] RejZoR@lemmy.ml 43 points 1 week ago (5 children)

It's funny how religious people don't understand the religion they are worshiping. Or even their very prophet or in this case the chief messenger which is how I like to call the pope.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Belief and religion is whatever you want it to be because it is man made and maintained by man.

Modern Christianity, especially modern American Nationalist Christianity is based on the belief that you can literally do whatever you want in life, even the most despicable, immoral, selfish and disgusting things .... and their modern belief is based on the idea that if God doesn't like what you are doing, they you will be severely punished for your behaviour, in this life before you go too far ... or in the next life after you die. However, if you do those terrible, disgusting things and nothing terrible happens to you and you continue to lead a good, happy, healthy life ... then it is a sign that God has allowed you to continue and that you are part of a grander plan where you should be allowed to continue doing the terrible things you are doing in order to fulfill some sort of prophecy or master plan.

If you hoard wealth, destroy the poor, ignore moral values and continue down a path where you just literally want to destroy everything and everyone for your own greed and you get away with it all ... then God is complicit and wants you to get away with it ... he allowed it all, which makes it sacrosanct ... it is God's will.

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[–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 35 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I don't want to lose faith, i really want to keep supporting the child fuckers, but this might put me over the edge.

[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I can excuse child sexual abuse, but I draw the line at helping the less fortunate.

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[–] FosterMolasses@leminal.space 31 points 1 week ago (2 children)

These fascists sure are crazy huh

At least the Pope is a good person in this era of history, I guess that's something.

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The biggest upset yet in my eyes. The Catholic Church looks on track to be one of the good guys at the end. Wild shit.

[–] merdaverse@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yeah, this time around they don't need to collaborate with fascists to maintain political independence.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 18 points 1 week ago

I mean, we've had to shift the definition of "good" to "doesn't openly display a swastika somewhere on their property" but sure.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Imagine pretending to be catholic, and then complaining about the Pope. Isn't he Big King Shit of catholicism? Aren't you supposed to alter your moral beliefs to be in line with his?

They're straight up complaining that Jesus is woke.

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[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm fully on board with people having an existential crisis between their religion and their political beliefs.

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[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You gotta be cataclysmically fucking stupid to think poor people are poor on purpose.

[–] ConstantPain@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Largely it's on purpose. Not on their own, of course.

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[–] kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I'm pretty sure if Jesus was around now he'd abandon his position as the savior of these cunts and go build houses for the homeless.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Some people stay catholic because they like how the church covers for pedos.

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Somebody didn't pay attention in catholic school

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[–] MisterOwl@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Christianity in a nutshell.

Religion is cancer.

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[–] SaneMartigan@aussie.zone 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fuck em both. The pope wields immense wealth and power, get to fixing things, anything - Housing, food, education, healthcare, environment - pick a topic and go.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I honestly don’t think the pope has that kind of power. I’m pretty sure it’s a facade. Think of all the times their actions have been so minimal in any direction while their words swing one way or the other.

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[–] Tempus_Fugit@midwest.social 20 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Lol, that response is exactly why I left Catholicism. The worst hypocrites in the world are Catholics. I refuse to participate or donate to an organization that doesn't condemn hate. I love this for Catholicism though, kill that evil organization.

[–] seejur@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Let me introduce a new gang in town: Evangelicals. A pure breed of hypocrisy, racism and cruel capitalism. The original followers of supply-side jesus

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[–] laserm@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Y know, I would have a little more respect for Christians if they didn't pick only the parts of their faith that let them hate minorities. Especially since the bible directly says to 'treat foreigners as your own' (as a no human is illegal supporter I agree with this sentiment)

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Don't worry, the evangelicals will give you the hate you want.

[–] Beacon@fedia.io 18 points 1 week ago

He's right, it's not like the Bible says anything about how to treat the poor! Oh... wait...

https://www.openbible.info/topics/poor

[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Id like to think that Jesus would fist fight these people.

[–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 16 points 1 week ago

He whipped up on people for less.

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Looks like a Mammonite cosplaying as a Catholic to me.

[–] db2@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

You have to have a heart to begin with before it can be broken.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Really? You can choose to be born to rich parents and not to an uneducated, too-young woman in a poor country and the guy ditches her? If only the billions of poor people knew this.

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