I hope this works out for them. Ori is an awesome game and I'm interested in the new project. I wishlisted it because the videos of it look great but I usually don't buy early access games. Was planning to get it when it officially launches.
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I'm waiting for their multiplayer patch to play the game in full but I enjoyed the combat in the first 10 minutes and an excited to play it. ARPGs need to evolve past the idle games most of the current popular ones devolve into.
There are a few different types of ARPGs, such as:
- looters like Diablo - perhaps this is what you consider "idle"?
- guided "sequential discovery" games like Ys and Zelda - progression is scripted
- souls-like - combat-heavy ARPGs where combat is skill/reaction based instead of build based
I really like the last two, not the first one.
I guess I haven't heard Souls-Like or games like Zelda or Witcher 3 (what I'd call Action Adventure I guess or RPG) called an ARPG although they fit the name well enough that maybe I have and today I'm falling on the other side of a fuzzy line.
Yes, I was referring to Diablo, PoE, Last Epoch, and the rest of the "looter" ARPG's or what I'd just call ARPG's. Maybe this is why the Diablo-like meme came up? To further drill in to the genre.
Zelda
I think Zelda is right at the boundary of Action-Adventure and ARPG, and some games fall on the RPG side (TLoZ, Zelda 2) and many on the action-adventure side. But many are right at that limit, using equipment and heart containers as progression.
Dark Souls is absolutely an ARPG. You have leveling mechanics, different builds with impactful player choice, and other forms of progression. Likewise for Witcher 3.
And yeah, what frustrates me a lot is that many people seem to mean "Diablo-like" when they say "ARPG," which it is, but the genre is much larger than that.
Here's an interesting part from the ARPG Wikipedia article:
Diablo's effect on the market was significant, inspiring many imitators. Its impact was such that the term "action RPG" has come to be more commonly used for Diablo-style games, with The Legend of Zelda itself slowly recategorized as an action-adventure.
To me, ARPG means any game with strong RPG mechanics and a focus on the action instead of stats for determining player success.
Unfortunately, the snippet from the Wikipedia article you quoted exactly exemplifies my understanding of the genre tags and how I've seen them used since I was old enough to get on the Internet and read such things.
Zelda has, for me, always been an action adventure game. I don't think I'd called Zelda breath of the wild an RPG game or an ARPG game but that's because the item portion of the game felt incomparable to a game like Witcher or Diablo where every piece of your character is an item that can be upgraded.
That being said, I'm not exactly the biggest Zelda fan and BotW was like 10 years ago for me.
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I think there's a lot more that goes into a games success or failure than just reviews. I'm not entirely convinced that a wave of good reviews would financially save their studio. I also find it funny that he acknowledges that he doesn't write reviews for things.
For my case, it's been on my wish list for a while. I enjoyed Ori, but didn't love it, and plan on getting around to the second Ori game eventually. But I have a zillion games to play, and right now they're not that high on my list. But my moods change, and next month I may well be in the mood for something like No Rest for the Wicked, see it on my wish list, and finally pick it up.
But quite frankly, no review is going to sway me. I've enjoyed Mixed review games, I've loved Mostly Negative games, and I've disliked Overwhelmingly Positive games. Fact of the matter is I'm much more likely to look at actual gameplay videos and make a decision rather than read a written review.
But, that's just my anecdotal experience. I personally find it hard to believe the reviews play that big of a role here. I think that success or failure comes down to a hundred different factors, and the unfortunate reality is that some really awesome gems aren't successful for no real fair reasons, sometimes.
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How is the game coming along? I bought it a while ago to support the team, but don't really want to jam it until it is at least close to complete. Can't really leave a review for something I haven't played.
I love the Ori games! I haven't played this game though so I guess I'm part of the problem lol