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Urbit 2.0 just dropped (archive.ph)
submitted 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) by to c/techtakes@awful.systems
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no excerpts yet cause work destroyed me, but this just got posted on the orange site. apparently a couple of urbit devs realized urbit sucks actually. interestingly they correctly call out some of urbit’s worst points (like its incredibly high degree of centralization), but I get the strong feeling that this whole thing is an attempt to launder urbit’s reputation while swapping out the fascists in charge

e: I also have to point out that this is written from the insane perspective that anyone uses urbit for anything at all other than an incredibly inefficient message board and a set of interlocking crypto scams

e2: I didn’t link it initially, but the orange site thread where I found this has heated up significantly since then

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[–] 0 points 3 years ago* (6 children)

I didn't find the thread you are talking about, but I found this instead, which is probably much worse.

(Edit: I did eventually find the thread!)

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    oh christ, that’s worth its own thread if you’d like to post one

    the original thread for this one had 4 points and 0 comments at the time so I didn’t link it, but I probably should have in case it picked up. I’ll try and find it again

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 3 years ago* (4 children)

    my mistake, there’s gold in the orange site thread

    e: ah, we found it around the same time!

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    The power here is supposedly that no authority can override your desires on your plunder system because it will eventually be a frozen spec, and so virtual machine runtime implementations that are correct must run any program from any time after the freeze. That means a vm I make today will run programs a thousand years from now (probably inefficiently) and a vm created in a thousand years must run programs from today. Theoretically speaking.

    Yes that's what a spec means. Like wow I can write puts("Hello, world!") and it does the same thing on every ANSI C compiler, how novel!

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 3 years ago

    this is an incredibly bad idea for security of course, and is in any case is a garbage version of what javascript VMs already do successfully (much to javascript’s detriment, in some cases)

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Dev is asked why it's called "Plunder"

    Think of it as being a Scheme implementation: Racket, Stalin, Larceny, Plunder.

    TBH this is the first time I've heard of a Scheme named after the notorious Soviet dictator. What's next, a Lisp called Hitler?

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