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israel continues to bomb hospital after hospital.... camp after camp.... no matter how horrible the october attacks were, this is out of proportion even for groups that hate each other.
I'm so fucking tired of the world being hostage to a bunch of nutbags who all believe their invisible friends want them to murder someone else's children.
really, we shouldn't be an interplanetary species, we're not fit.
It is not new from the media. Has been this way for a long time.
You cannot read Western coverage of Palestine without learning about Ermon and Chomsky's "five filters of media". It's like a decoder ring.
This is of course by design. The media wants the average Joe to think "Palestinian bad, Isreali good".
All hostages are prisoners, but not all prisoners are hostages. The distinction is with a hostage, the implication is that they will be used to trade for something where with a prisoner that's not there
Ukraine and Russia are both trading PoW's so you would say they are taking hostages instead of prisoners?
No, I would say they are taking prisoners and holding them as hostages.
Hamas’s negotiating tactics make the term hostage applicable, even for soldiers.
The real question is whether Palestinians held by Israel should be called hostages. I would argue yes but they aren’t as open about the threats to them and their use as pawns in negotiations.
You would argue that children kidnapped by Israel should be called prisoners and active duty soldiers guarding a concentration camp should be called hostages?
No? Maybe you should read again.
Hostages are defined by their usage as pawns by their captors. Whether they are soldiers, children, or guinea pigs has little relevance to that.
Also, I would add that imprisoning people is almost always wrong, so the distinction between hostage and prisoner isn’t as morally significant as mainstream society believes.
It has a lot of relevance to it because it is what defines whether they are hostages or PoW's.
A hostage is when someone is taken captive without valid reason. Which is what Israel does.
That’s absolutely not what the word hostage means. A hostage is a prisoner used as a bargaining chip. The validity of the action has no bearing on it.
We're arguing against emotions, not reason. Hostages and prisoners aren't exclusive groups. Both are fucked up.
Hamas captures these people because they are soldiers. Working in the division which is responsible for the starvation of Gaza. That is an entirely different reason.
In virtually every conflict soldiers are captured and traded for soldiers of the other party or other diplomatic goals. Using this term for soldiers would make it so every PoW becomes a hostage and the term loses all meaning.
Next thing you know people are getting "kidnapped from tanks"
It’s entirely possible to use POWs as hostages. They aren’t mutually exclusive categories. One has to look at the statements and behavior of the actors involved to assess their motivations. Is it merely to reduce enemy fighting forces or are they also used as leverage? Hamas’s actions and statements make it clear in this case that they are hostages.
Of course, Hamas also took non-combatants hostage so I don’t see why you are willing to die on this hill, it’s incontrovertible that they do take hostages.
Of course, Hamas also took non-combatants hostage
Which is why the non combatants can reasonably called hostages. But not the armed IDF soldiers.
Israel is kidnapping Palestinians to surpress them and steal their houses. They are they peak of taking hostages.
What is world?
