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[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 39 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Explanation: Contrary to popular belief, the katana is not the traditional weapon of the warrior class of Japan. Bushi were traditionally more associated with the bow and the spear, and typically in mounted combat at that.

In the period of the Sengoku Jidai, an era of civil war in the 16th century AD, some strange Euro fellows brought a new technology to Japan - the firearm. Rather than disdaining this new weapon as dishonorable or any other such nonsense, the samurai class eagerly embraced this new weapon, both as a method of arming peasants and for gunning down enemies themselves. The famous duelist Miyamoto Musashi even regarded the gun as an unmatched weapon for the defense of castles.

The association of the samurai class with the katana is more an invention of the Edo Period of peace and isolation, around ~1600-1850 AD, wherein the only major task of samurai was reacting to meaningless slights and cutting people down on an impulse - for which a sword, as an easily carried sidearm and status symbol, was much handier than an actual weapon of war like a spear or a bow.

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Funny that the two most popular "types" of warrior nobility/elite (european knights and japanese samurai) are both most strongly associated with what effectively was mostly a sidearm, backup or unarmed self defense weapon but most definitely not their main battlefield weapon, and both are actively separated from gunpowder weapons in popular culture while both were among the earliest adopters of gunpowder weapons in their respective environments.

[–] CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Maybe because in times of relative peace, there is more time to focus on literature. Do you end up with more surviving tales of people living in these times. During wars, the would be authors would instead by fodder.

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No, that's not it. We have tons of material, especially picture sources, about medieval warfare. Pop culture just choses to ignore it.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The romantization of sword-wielding knights started in early modern times, at the latest. Knowing about something and focusing on something in popular culture are two different things.

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 2 points 8 months ago

Maybe because:

  1. They would most probably be carrying the handy sidearm instead of the large battlefield weapon, when in city walls, where civilians would be seeing them most.
  2. Firearms of that time were shit compared to today's ones, making then hard to portray as cool to normal people. Also, body movements are not as showy, with firearms, as compared to bows/swords/spears.
[–] yakko@feddit.uk 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yes, though Miyamoto was a comedy insult murder aficionado, from what I've heard of his dueling record.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

No comment on the contents, but

In the period of the Sengoku Jidai

Ah, yes, the warring states period period.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Next you'll tell me I can't get a gladius sword!

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 8 months ago

Not with EC cash from the ATM machines!

[–] KuroiKaze@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

I can't believe I'm not the only person that saw this and thought that

[–] Habahnow@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago

TIL. how cool.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yes, I've played Civ IV too 🙄

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 1 points 8 months ago

Funny enough, I never spent much time in Civ IV. I played mostly Civ II and Civ V.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago
[–] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

PEW PEW mother fucker!

[–] Triumph@fedia.io 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I thought that samurai had moved to leather armor by the time the guns arrived?

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 6 points 8 months ago

Leather lamellar armor remained in partial use, I believe, but by the period of the Sengoku Jidai, most armor was metal. The older leather-with-metal style was more common ~200-300 years before as O-Yoroi

Our men are running from the battlefield!

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 2 points 8 months ago

Knowledge to knowledge.

[–] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Anyone wanna fact check this very clearly recent photo bomb of a clearly medieval warrior?