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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The internet did get rid of ETI theories of UFOs and probably facts. Now we have Wikipedia and ubiquitous cameras.

Instead we have WTF is THAT UFOs called UAP, and singing abandoned buildings, but no ghosts.

Part of the problem now is fake news and we're about to lose video authentication the first time someone makes a convincing AI-generated street incident.

[–] LadyButterfly@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

The fake news honestly frightens me. Lord knows what will happen because of it but there's many truly terrible possibilities

[–] xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 hours ago

wwii was started with fake news

[–] Bibbiliop@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

Assuming all the information on the internet was true, this could have been reevaluated.

But in today’s world unfortunately internet is more fabricated information than real information

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 64 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Admittedly they probably didn't expect an enormous, sophisticated, and well-coordinated effort to promote ignorance and push so much misinformation so as to effectively muddy the waters of that information either though.

[–] TheKingBee@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's basically the plot of brave new world.

[–] match@pawb.social 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] zarathustra0@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] sneezycat@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago

SOcial Media Addiction (SOMA)

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well yeah but probably they should have expected it ...

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I don't particularly remember many people saying that. I think they were all up their asses about iq.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ah, yes, that all meaning number that represents your ability to exceed at very specific and biased tasks. Love it

[–] dandylion@lemmy.today 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't think they're too bad, but than again I did score 1st.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

The problem, I'd say, is that they measure primarily geometric and rational reasoning ability.

But in practice, you need much more than that. You need empathy, a good intuition for nature, life experience, human connections, extensive education, and the right environment to use these abilities. None of which is easy to measure.

[–] Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There was a lot of talk about how being able to access any information would drastically increase the average knowledge base, which could possibly increase IQ.

[–] xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 hours ago

is has increased intelligence, in countries where they didn’t also gut the schools….

[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 42 points 1 day ago (3 children)

People don't want to be corrected, they want to be validated.

[–] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

People want to be correct.

For some that means never being questioned. For some, it means always questioning themselves.

[–] zarathustra0@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (3 children)
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[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 83 points 1 day ago (2 children)

"You can't deny science when you have a radio made by science and see all the electronic"

Turns out, once radios are complex enough, you don't see the electronic anymore

[–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

We lost something big with the transition to digital, and that's DIY hardware built entirely from discrete components.

Nowadays, everything uses a microcontroller.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There was a sweet spot when computers were actually made out of transistors.

Nowadays, they're all made by arcane magic.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And to follow up on that:

;D

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sufficiently Advanced Technology.

i actually interpret it different. it's not about being too complicated.

it's about the fact that you can't fundamentally prove that physics behaves in a certain way. You can only observe it. And you can hope and pray that god doesn't fundamentally change the laws of the universe tomorrow. So, in some sense, it's magic. Also it's kinda weird in some way that the universe works the way it does. It's kinda just a random expression of divine thought, or a miracle, idk what you call it, but some call it magic.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Or completely glued together and you get a cease and desist when you start tinkering with it.

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[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago

"You're not just a regular moron, you were DESIGNED to be a moron. " - Portal 2

Probably the darkest truth - modern moronity is generally by design, not by misfortune.

[–] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Having access to information doesn't help people who can't read or don't have the ability to comprehend what they're reading.

it's not just reading skills, it's also ability to cross-correlate information to other information and perform consistency checks.

[–] stebo02@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

tbf the internet is also jam-packed with misinformation which doesn't only counteract people learning the truth, but also makes them confident about their false views

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[–] Lembot_0002@lemm.ee 35 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Wrong. It is a lack of access to information. Good luck trying to find something useful on the modern Internet.

Yes, in the mid-late 90s Internet was making people cleverer. Because we didn't have kids, influencers, politicians and activists on the Internet. It was a source of technical information managed by technical specialists. It was a good time. And you destroyed it.

[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Internet became bad when it got controlled by engagement seeking corporations.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

More specifically, the internet failed because society decided to dedicate an entire generation of the world’s most brilliant minds to the problem of ad optimization. This directly led to the modern clickbait/ragebait disinformation problem.

If we had just taken those same engineers and said to solve any other problem, it would’ve been done ages ago.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I think the problem stems of the fact that google was convinced in 2000 that the internet needs to make money to keep being developed.

And that belief is primarily inspired by neoliberal belief that everything needs to make money.

However, information should be free. And so should the internet.

[–] auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

Wrong. Having been in group chats with people I know are real and have been debunked consistently since 2020, it doesn’t matter. 80% of people pick their reality based on feels, and 30% are straight up fascists.

In the mid 90s the internet was composed primarily of the 20% of the pop who are capable of reflection.

[–] errer@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

In the 90s chat rooms/forums were a cesspool, just as they are today. But the web, while rough around the edges in terms of design/organization (hence the need for search engines) was great for information. Vast majority of websites had good intentions. That is not the case today.

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[–] tdawg@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nearly everything I've learned in my life is thanks to the internet but sure. I guess I get the point

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (4 children)

You have to teach people to teach themselves though. Just because someone has access to a book doesn't mean they'll read it.

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[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It was the lack of access to the right information. Most people won't spend hours researching a topic. Most people don't spend any time on seeking outbinformation. They only absorb whatever information they happen to come across. And liars are especially adept at being loud. So they're the first, and often only, to be heard.

In a world without corruption, a ministry of truth would work wonders. In our world, I don't know what would work.

[–] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not the people's fault, now we disinformation and the firehose of falsehoods 🙃

[–] andybytes@programming.dev 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

And without well-rounded education, which is not perfect like liberal arts we lack the ability to digest information critically. I mean you could tell people about Edward Bernays or say Alan Dulles or the evils of capitalism/imperialism and how the rich objectify us and they'll still sit there eating their ice cream at Disneyland drooling in their hedonistic stupor... Maybe really this is my own personal anxiety and as time progresses the colective subconscious will eventually awaken into a wrathful hurricane of non-discriminative re-Alignment.. As we try to manage these transitions, We become a nihilistic and we lean into it and just allow nature to take its course. For justice is always served, not in my time, not in my interest. Thank gawd, all men die.We are an anti-social society that rewards anti-social behavior. I just think about Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. We poison the well we drink from and without self-awareness, curiosity kills the cat.. Superposition can eat my ass. And it could be described as the Imperial Boomerang or in the military communities, like intelligence, it's called blowback. I think we live in the era of the Limp Dick, the self-fulfilling prophecy, the exponential feedback loop on a road to nowhere with tracks coming to an end.. And peoples the likes of Elon Musk, who are high on ketamine or any other chemical., are sitting there, staring at themselves in the mirror. As if it's their world and we're just living in it. As if they are somehow not a part of the collective. The Singularity is just our collective ego focused on just a few ambitious fools and artificial intelligence is our collective efforts mirrored back to ourselves with the wizard of Oz turning the dial. There is no wonder that this "man" edong breeds like a rat he knows what he is doing is wrong, but he just can't help himself.. It makes sense that the population is declining, and that's a good thing. It shows that the people are actually somewhat waking up at least subconsciously. Elon is no overman.. But a reprobate and a rapist.. Relative, none of us have free will. But it doesn't justify not focusing on maintaining ones own individual autonomy. I don't tell my immune system what to do. I don't tell my lungs to breathe. The collective self needs these things to happen in order for me (ego) to exist. It's kind of like a paradox, but a paradox is just... We are blinded to the truths of reality, somewhere down the causational chain, there is still some form of binary. We just can't see it.. I'm not talking about being passive, and I'm not talking about not playing your part in any revolutionary action. I'm just saying, know, your place in the natural hierarchy and exhibit or execute your nature. When I see incredibly anti-social and destructive behavior in our society, I don't cry out to gawd. I know why things happen the way they do. Possibly we've gone past the point of no return. We spit in the face of the natural hierarchy for so long. We cut down trees and wipe our ass. Mark Fisher killed himself because he was anxious and he didn't want to watch the World Burn. But me? I'm okay with it. I'm curious to see what will happen. I do know the piglets, the imperial piglets eventually, either them or their children will face consequences. Justice is always served. I don't want what the rich man has. I think the rich man is lazy, tacky and gross. I like bottom feeders and beneficial parasites. No War but the Class War.

Chapter 57 of the Tao Te Ching

Rule a nation with justice. Wage war with surprise moves. Become master of the universe without striving. How do I know that this is so? Because of this!

The more laws and restrictions there are, The poorer people become. The sharper men's weapons, The more trouble in the land. The more ingenious and clever men are, The more strange things happen. The more rules and regulations, The more thieves and robbers.

Therefore the sage says: I take no action and people are reformed. I enjoy peace and people become honest. I do nothing and people become rich. I have no desires and people return to the good and simple life.

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