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[–] nfultz@awful.systems 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/michigan/miedce/4:2025cv11168/384571/176/

Consistent with Magistrate Judge Patti’s warning that each AI citation might incur a cost of $200 per citation, the court adopts that amount and imposes a fine of $300 per Plaintiff (a total of $600) for three misrepresented, AI-generated citations.

lol

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Dang that judge was angry.

Here's docket #170: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.384571/gov.uscourts.mied.384571.170.0.pdf -- the complaining about not being allowed to use AI is on page 14 and 16 (it's pretty awful reading I almost gave up before reaching that point)

a pro se litigant should not be threatened with per-citation fines before any violation.

lmao

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 1 points 18 minutes ago

...I will freely admit to not knowing the norms of courtroom conduct, but isn't having preestablished penalties for specific infractions central to the whole concept of law itself.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Major RAM/SSD manufacturer Micron just shut down its Crucial brand to sell shovels in the AI gold rush, worsening an already-serious RAM shortage for consumer parts.

Just another way people are paying more for less, thanks to AI.

[–] jonhendry@awful.systems 1 points 54 minutes ago* (last edited 53 minutes ago)

I can see it making sense, what with CPUs moving to integrated RAM, and probably CPU-integrated flash, to maximize speed. The business of RAM and flash drive upgrades will become a very large but shrinking retrocomputing niche probably served by small Chinese fabs.

[–] mawhrin@awful.systems 5 points 9 hours ago

github produced their ~~annual insights into the state of open source and public software projects~~ barrel of marketing slop, and it's as self-congratulatory as unreadable and completely opaque.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 9 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

Apparently we are part of the rising trend of AI denialism

The rise of AI denialism

Author Louis Rosenberg is "an engineer, researcher, inventor, and entrepreneur" according to his PR-stinking Wikipage: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_B._Rosenberg. I am sure he is utterly impartial and fair with regards to AI.

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 2 points 22 minutes ago

We are three paragraphs and one subheading down before we hit an Ayn Rand quote. This clearly bodes well.

A couple paragraphs later we're ignoring both the obvious philosophical discussion about creativity and the more immediate argument about why this technology is being forced on us so aggressively. As much as I'd love to rant about this I got distracted by the next bit talking about how micro expressions will let LLMs decode emotions and whatever. I'd love to know this guy's thoughts on that AI-powered phrenologist features a couple weeks ago.

[–] mawhrin@awful.systems 14 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

i hereby propose a new metric for a popular publication, the epstein number (Ē), denoting the number of authors who took flights to epstein's rape island. generally, credible publications should have Ē=0. this one, after a very quick look, has Ē=2, and also hosts sabine hossenfelder.

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 5 points 4 hours ago

Absolutely savage 10/10 no notes

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 5 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

it's some copium of tremendous potency to misidentify public sentiment (https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2025/04/03/how-the-us-public-and-ai-experts-view-artificial-intelligence/) for movement (ignore the "AI experts" these are people surveyed at a certain machine learning conference, really could be substituted by 1000 clones of Sutskever)

[–] UltimateNoob@programming.dev 7 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Etymology Nerd has a really good point about accelerationists, connects them to religion

https://youtube.com/shorts/aqhrYvxd13A

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 3 points 12 hours ago

I like this. Kinda wish it was either 10x longer and explained things a bit, or 10x shorter and was more shitposty. Still, good

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)
[–] aio@awful.systems 5 points 12 hours ago

article is informing me that it isn't X - it's Y

[–] scruiser@awful.systems 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Another day, another instance of rationalists struggling to comprehend how they've been played by the LLM companies: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/5aKRshJzhojqfbRyo/unless-its-governance-changes-anthropic-is-untrustworthy

A very long, detailed post, elaborating very extensively the many ways Anthropic has played the AI doomers, promising AI safety but behaving like all the other frontier LLM companies, including blocking any and all regulation. The top responses are all tone policing and such denying it in a half-assed way that doesn't really engage with the fact the Anthropic has lied and broken "AI safety commitments" to rationalist/lesswrongers/EA shamelessly and repeatedly:

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/5aKRshJzhojqfbRyo/unless-its-governance-changes-anthropic-is-untrustworthy?commentId=tBTMWrTejHPHyhTpQ

I feel confused about how to engage with this post. I agree that there's a bunch of evidence here that Anthropic has done various shady things, which I do think should be collected in one place. On the other hand, I keep seeing aggressive critiques from Mikhail that I think are low-quality (more context below), and I expect that a bunch of this post is "spun" in uncharitable ways.

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/5aKRshJzhojqfbRyo/unless-its-governance-changes-anthropic-is-untrustworthy?commentId=CogFiu9crBC32Zjdp

I think it's sort of a type error to refer to Anthropic as something that one could trust or not. Anthropic is a company which has a bunch of executives, employees, board members, LTBT members, external contractors, investors, etc, all of whom have influence over different things the company does.

I would find this all hilarious, except a lot of the regulation and some of the "AI safety commitments" would also address real ethical concerns.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

This would be worrying if there was any risk at all that the stuff Anthropic is pumping out is an existential threat to humanity. There isn't so this is just rats learning how the world works outside the blog bubble.

[–] scruiser@awful.systems 4 points 6 hours ago

I mean, I assume the bigger the pump the bubble the bigger the burst, but at this point the rationalists aren't really so relevant anymore, they served their role in early incubation.

[–] lagrangeinterpolator@awful.systems 10 points 14 hours ago

If rationalists could benefit from just one piece of advice, it would be: actions speak louder than words. Right now, I don't think they understand that, given their penchant for 10k word blog posts.

One non-AI example of this is the most expensive fireworks show in history, I mean, the SpaceX Starship program. So far, they have had 11 or 12 test flights (I don't care to count the exact number by this point), and not a single one of them has delivered anything into orbit. Fans generally tend to cling on to a few parlor tricks like the "chopstick" stuff. They seem to have forgotten that their goal was to land people on the moon. This goal had already been accomplished over 50 years ago with the 11th flight of the Apollo program.

I saw this coming from their very first Starship test flight. They destroyed the launchpad as soon as the rocket lifted off, with massive chunks of concrete flying hundreds of feet into the air. The rocket itself lost control and exploded 4 minutes later. But by far the most damning part was when the camera cut to the SpaceX employees wildly cheering. Later on there were countless spin articles about how this test flight was successful because they collected so much data.

I chose to believe the evidence in front of my eyes over the talking points about how SpaceX was decades ahead of everyone else, SpaceX is a leader in cheap reusable spacecraft, iterative development is great, etc. Now, I choose to look at the actions of the AI companies, and I can easily see that they do not have any ethics. Meanwhile, the rationalists are hypnotized by the Anthropic critihype blog posts about how their AI is dangerous.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 13 points 1 day ago (3 children)

This looks like it's relevant to our interests

Hayek's Bastards: Race, Gold, IQ, and the Capitalism of the Far Right by Quinn Slobodian

https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9781890951917/hayeks-bastards

[–] macroplastic@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

Cory Doctorow has plugged this on his blog, which is usually a good signal for me.

[–] nfultz@awful.systems 7 points 1 day ago

He came by campus last spring and did a reading, very solid and surprisingly well-attended talk.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago

Always thought she should have stuck to acting.

(I know, Hayek just always reminds me of how people put his quotes over Hayeks image, and people just get really mad at her, and not at him. Always wonder if people would have been just as mad if it was Friedrichs image and not Salmas due to the sexism aspect).

[–] Seminar2250@awful.systems 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

something i was thinking about yesterday: so many people i ~~respect~~ used to respect have admitted to using llms as a search engine. even after i explain the seven problems with using a chatbot this way:

  1. wrong tool for the job
  2. bad tool
  3. are you fucking serious?
  4. environmental impact
  5. ethics of how the data was gathered/curated to generate^[they call this "training" but i try to avoid anthropomorphising chatbots] the model
  6. privacy policy of these companies is a nightmare
  7. seriously what is wrong with you

they continue to do it. the ease of use, together with the valid syntax output by the llm, seems to short-circuit something in the end-user's brain.

anyway, in the same way that some vibe-coded bullshit will end up exploding down the line, i wonder whether the use of llms as a search engine is going to have some similar unintended consequences


"oh, yeah, sorry boss, the ai told me that mr. robot was pretty accurate, idk why all of our secrets got leaked. i watched the entire series."

additionally, i wonder about the timing. will we see sporadic incidents of shit exploding, or will there be a cascade of chickens coming home to roost?

[–] megaman@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 hour ago

At work, i watched my boss google something, see the "ai overview" and then say "who knows if this is right", and then read it and then close the tab.

It made me think about how this is how like a rumor or something happens. Even in a good case, they read the text with some scepticism but then 2 days later they forgot where they heard it and so they say they think whatever it was is right.

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 7 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Sadly web search, and the web in general, have enshittified so much that asking ChatGPT can be a much more reliable and quicker way to find information. I don't excuse it for anything that you could easily find on wikipedia, but it's useful for queries such as "what's the name of that free indie game from the 00s that was just a boss rush no you fucking idiot not any of this shit it was a game maker thing with retro pixel style or whatever ugh" where web search is utterly useless. It's a frustrating situation, because of course in an ideal world chatbots don't exist and information on the web is not drowned in a sea of predatory bullshit, reliable web indexes and directories exist and you can easily ask other people on non-predatory platforms. In the meanwhile I don't want to blame the average (non-tech-evangelist, non-responsibility-having) user for being funnelled into this crap. At worst they're victims like all of us.

Oh yeah and the game's Banana Nababa by the way.

[–] jonhendry@awful.systems 2 points 20 hours ago

"they call this “training” but i try to avoid anthropomorphising chatbots"

You can train animals, you can train a plant, you can train your hair. So it's not really anthropomorphising.

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yes i know the kid in the omelas hole gets tortured each time i use the woe engine to generate an email. Is that bad?

[–] yellowcake@awful.systems 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is there any search engine that isn't pushing an "AI mode" of sorts? Some are more sneaky or give option to "opt out" like duckduckgo, but this all feels temporary until it is the only option.

I have found it strange how many people will say "I asked chatgpt" with the same normalcy as "googling" was.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 7 points 1 day ago
[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)
[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Help, I asked AI to design my bathroom and it came with this, does anyone know where I can find that wallpaper?

it's the doom bathroom

[–] zogwarg@awful.systems 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I guess my P(Doom|Bathroom) should have been higher.

Hang on I've been trying to create a whole house for this joke and I could have just used the bathroom?

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 8 points 1 day ago

The follow-up is also funny:

image description below

image descriptionquote post from same poster: "Grok fixed it for me:"

quoted post: "People were hating on Gemini's floor plan, so I asked Grok to make it more practical."

An AI slop picture of a house floorplan at the top melding into a perspective drawing of a room interior below.

[–] JFranek@awful.systems 5 points 1 day ago

I don't see the problem, that looks like a typical McMansion to me.

Also, it's nice the AI included a dedicated room for snorting cocaine (powder room).

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[–] antifuchs@awful.systems 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Workers organizing against genai policies in the workplace: http://workersdecide.tech/

Sounds like exactly the thing unions and labor organizing is good for. Glad to see it.

[–] nightsky@awful.systems 4 points 1 day ago

I really enjoy the bingo card. Let's see when I can find an opportunity to use it...

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