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Germany: Dozens injured at Berlin pro-Palestinian protest – DW – 05/16/2025 (www.dw.com)

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[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 7 points 4 months ago

After recent feddit.Org censorship drama...

Talk about having to deal with a culture of bootlicking. These protesters doing the hard work here.

I bet German boomers get big mad when the "law" is being violated this fragrantly 🐸

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 1 points 4 months ago

Typical german article exclusively picturing the situation from the governments view and that of the police. Did anyone interview the people protesting? It is proven by now that israel is perfoming crimes against humanity and these people have a right to protest and reason to be outraged. In strong opposition to the german fascist movement, these people have actual reason to decry being silenced and oppressed. They are subject to ethnic cleansing.

[+] IceFoxX@lemm.ee -15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Demonstrators who cause unrest and division in the population by demonstrating for political issues in other countries. Should basically be taken from the demonstrations to the airport and put on the next plane that flies to the country they are demonstrating for. I'm not just referring to pro-Palestinians, but to everyone. It is unacceptable for people to flee to democratic countries and instead of fighting for cohesion here, they are instead fighting for the division and collapse of democracy. Example: Just so that they continue to vote for a dictatorship in Turkey, for example, while the people there suffer. Which was the case with Erdogan's election. Above all, however, all these demonstrations are also costly and at the expense of taxpayers.... after all, everything has to be secured with the appropriate police force, etc. Or "Demonstrations" Just for praise the killed americans/eurpeans ( which included Kids which was kidnapped, raped, forced birth etc )... Wrong place for this Demonstrations

No, that cannot and must not happen. If someone wants to demonstrate for political issues outside Europe. Let them fucking go there!

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Demonstrators who cause unrest and division in the population by demonstrating for political issues in other countries. Should basically be taken from the demonstrations to the airport and put on the next plane that flies to the country they are demonstrating for.

🤦

!opisafuckingidiot@lemmy.world

[–] IceFoxX@lemm.ee -4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Who is against democratic values and abolished democracy in the first election and saw Hamas as an ally? Oh, the Palestinians who at that time were still dreaming of a worldwide genocide of Jews (not Zionists). Let an enemy of democracy and dictatorship sympathizer call me an idiot. Lol. Get out of democracy

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Who is against democratic values and abolished democracy in the first election and saw Hamas as an ally?

Where did I even mention Hamas, sweetie?

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

He has to work Hamas into his posts, other wise boss gets mad

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The tens of millions Israel spends on PR (including ppl to comment this hasbara crap) won't change the tide. People are finally seeing how unimaginably evil the ethnic cleansing of Zionism is, now that their genocide has been live streamed for over a year nonstop against a civilian population that's mostly children.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Israelie and pro Israeli shill ops budgets are likely into billions TBH

But no amount propaganda can cover up what they are doing in Gaza. They over played their hand IMHO but it will take a generation for us and Europe to adjust their foreign policy with Israel

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

That's totally fair, I wasn't even counting on how much western States add to that

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Apartheid and settler colonialism is not Democratic.

It's practically impossible to have a democracy when under Apartheid, especially when Israel routinely assassinates and imprisons political leaders, in particular ones that are more moderate or left than Hamas.

Palestinian resistance has never advocated for genocide, unlike Zionism which is explicitly centered on the ethnic cleansing of all Palestinians from historic Palestine. Even prior to the nakba, a binational one-state based on equal rights was repeatedly advocated for by the Palestinians, while Zionism rejected this to instead plan it's deliberate expulsion of hundreds of Palestinian towns to establish Israel.

Hamas grew as a resistance to Apartheid and violent oppression

Hamas in its early days, according to former Israeli officials, was seen by the government of Israel as a counterweight to the PLO. Israel supported Hamas as a way to break the PLO's hold on the region. Retired official Avner Cohen, who worked in Gaza in the 1990s and oversaw religious affairs in the region, told the WSJ in 2009, “Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation."

And in the backdrop of the 2006 election were geographic and political divides between Gaza and the West Bank. Contrary to what Bennett claimed, Israel restricted Palestinians from moving in and out of Gaza, as well as between the strip and the West Bank, since at least the 1990s, after the first Palestinian Intifada, or uprising, according to Al Jazeera. In addition to Gaza's borders, the Israeli government controlled its coastline and airspace, allowing for military incursions into the territory, and, in 2007, established the blockade on goods and people that still exists as of this writing.

People Claim a Majority of Palestinians in Gaza Elected Hamas — Here's Why It Isn't That Simple

Israel propped up Hamas to justify it's routine bombing of the Gaza civilian population

This really turned and came to a head in 2007, when Hamas, after winning democratic elections in 2006, rose to power, and the Israeli authorities, along with the U.S., attempted to initiate a regime change operation, which facilitated a civil war between Hamas and Fatah and allowed Hamas to take over the Gaza Strip. Since then, Israeli authorities have actively embraced the idea that Hamas would be accepted as a governing authority in the Gaza Strip. Now, part of the calculus in that is because of Gaza’s 2 million Palestinians. This is a demographic issue. Israel wanted to sever the Gaza Strip from the rest of historic Palestine in order to reinforce its claim that it’s a Jewish-majority state. By getting rid of 2 million Palestinians, two-thirds of whom are refugees demanding return, Israel can claim to be both a Jewish state and a democracy and restructure what is its apartheid regime.

“Divide and Rule”: How Israel Helped Start Hamas to Weaken Palestinian Hopes for Statehood

As far back as December 2012, Netanyahu told prominent Israeli journalist Dan Margalit that it was important to keep Hamas strong, as a counterweight to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. Margalit, in an interview, said Netanyahu told him that having two strong rivals, including Hamas, would lessen pressure on him to negotiate toward a Palestinian state.

Israel’s goal was “to ensure that the next confrontation between Israel and Hamas will be the final showdown”, he wrote in the memo, dated December 21st, 2016. A pre-emptive strike, he said, could remove most of the “leadership of the military wing of Hamas”.

‘Buying quiet’: Inside the Israeli plan that propped up Hamas - Irish Times

More sources you ignored from last time:

https://lemmy.world/comment/16923492

Stop projecting you're fascist beliefs onto the victims of over 76 years of deliberate ethnic cleansing.

[–] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Above all the cost of policing is what you are concerned about? What a deeply unserious position.

[–] IceFoxX@lemm.ee -5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That there are ALWAYS arguments. Which take place in a democracy, but for internal political affairs in OTHER countries outside Europe and against democratic values and human rights . etc. But what am I talking about... if you also approve of the "demonstrations" that only serve to celebrate the killing etc. and those killed on October 12, for example. Then I wonder what's wrong with you.

[–] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 4 months ago

for internal political affairs in OTHER countries outside Europe and against democratic values and human right

The protests are in support of human rights. Germany is in the business of selling weapons to Israel to continue the genocide in Gaza, and seems to be trying to suppress any criticism by labelling critics as anti-semitic. Two genocides don't cancel each other out. Even IF your argument was morally defensible, you can only claim it is an external political matter if Germany stops supplying weapons to Israel. Also, ACAB.