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“All the strikes so far have been illegal under both domestic and international law,” she said. “All of them constitute murder because none of the victims, whether or not they were smuggling illegal narcotics, posed an imminent threat to life. Congress must take action now to stop the US military from murdering more people in the Caribbean and Eastern Pacific.”

“Intercepting purported drug boats is a law enforcement operation, subject to policing standards derived from international human rights law, which holds that all people have the rights to life and a fair trial, and only allows states to use lethal force when an imminent threat to life exists,” she said. “A state intentionally killing someone outside those circumstances is committing an extrajudicial execution, a form of murder, no matter what crime the person is alleged to have committed.”

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[–] underisk@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

it would be murder even if carried out legally. when someone dies due to the deliberate actions taken by another to kill them, that's a murder. it doesn't get any less murdery because some governing body blessed it as the good kind of murder.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago

when someone dies due to the deliberate actions taken by another to kill them, that's a murder.

"Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought."

Self defense isn't murder and you'll still be killing someone with deliberate intent if you have to do it. Your definition isn't true even in casual usage, much less legal.

[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 15 hours ago

THANK YOU. This is what I've been saying this whole time. Why are we splitting hairs on if the double tap was a war crime when we have no evidence that these people were doing anything wrong to begin with? And even if they are carrying drugs, that isn't something that we issue the death penalty for.

Hegseth and co are just randomly lobbing hellfires at people piloting boats around the Caribbean for no fucking reason, and it's being validated by the media when they choose to criticize only the double tap while staying silent about the fact that it's cold blooded murder.

[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 12 hours ago

Shocked i say to this obvious shocked.

[–] lonefighter@sh.itjust.works 9 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

So I fully admit to being far too ignorant of how this works, but at what point does someone international do something about this? Are there not international arrest warrants out for Putin? When does an international court put out an arrest warrant for Hesgeth or Trump and make it so they can't leave the country? When does the international community start sanctioning the US for this bullshit?

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 5 points 12 hours ago

Self protection is my guess. It would have to be a tide turn to withstand the repercussions.

Trump and putin are both bullies with armies and nuclear bombs to back them up. Putin is losing his grip on the army standpoint, but he still has the bombs. Trump is losing his grip on the staying alive front, because he looks sickly as hell and is falling asleep left and right. But he still has a toddler revenge thing going on and an army+ to back him up.

[–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 14 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

So that clears things up in my head.
People were talking about war crimes, but I was thinking "well, it can't be a war crime if the US isn't at war" so clearly it's just plain old murder.

But worse, I just realised that this shit is the sort of stuff they used to make fucking movies about. A clandestine murder opération on foreign / international soil. Clear and Present fucking Danger, but instead of it being covered up and the soldiers abandoned to die, the morons in charge are tweeting about it live and making emojis about the killing.
Amazing.

Nah that's like saying you can't be an imperialist without being in an empire, war crimes refer to a specific kind of crime and perpetrator. A phrase that gets thrown around a lot is the "laws of war" which usually means the behavior of a military in general.

For example, the military genociding a village of the minority enemy of the week is a war crime even if they're citizens.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 18 points 17 hours ago

Trump pardons cocaine kingpin who ruled Honduras

President Donald Trump pardoned a former Honduran leader sentenced to prison on cocaine distribution charges, a move some Democrats say undercuts the rationale for Trump's aggressive posture toward Venezuela that includes military strikes on alleged drug boats.

Sorry about the source, first one that came up. He's a fucking drug trafficker, lol. He pardoned a drug trafficker while claiming these boat blow ups are totally cool.

[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 7 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Is there anyone who catches reports of unnecessary military force to kill anyone purportedly over drugs & doesn't think that's murder? Their claim doesn't justify deadly violence even if true.

No one needs a deep analysis of any kind to see that.

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 hours ago

Yes but most of MAGA would be out of their depth in a parking lot puddle.

[–] Switorik@lemmy.zip 6 points 15 hours ago

OK, do something about it. He and his organization need to be removed from office.