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Regeneron is to pay $256 million in cash to acquire "substantially all" of 23andMe's assets, including its massive biobank of around 15 million customer genetic samples and data.

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[–] biofaust@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I hope I deleted my data just in time not to be (legally) included in this.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] biofaust@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

That's why I specified legally. Which, being American involved, I reckon still has very little meaning. I cannot undo mistakes I made 15 years ago. Stoically, I can only worry about how I can act in the present.

[–] Asetru@feddit.org 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Narrator:

They didn't.

[–] Montreal_Metro@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago

Hahahahahaha

[–] gleb@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

i deleted my data a month or two ago, am i safe?

[–] pemptago@lemmy.ml 173 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (25 children)

Hindsight is 20/20. ITT lots of folks proud of themselves for not falling into this trap, but try to understand, 23andme was named "invention of the year" by Time in 2008. That's ~~before~~ [edit: around the time] google and facebook had begun monetizing private data. Data privacy, or even the power of data itself, was hardly appreciated by private companies let alone in the public consciousness.

Orphans, people with absent parents, decedents of slaves, the list goes on for folks who would understandably go for an affordable way to access their genetic history. Sure, there were plenty of folks since then who had all the information and still went for it, but what about all those who became aware of it too late and when they requested their data be deleted were told it would be kept for 3 years!

I'm saddened to see more victim blaming here than anger at the ToS/privacy policy fuckery and a complete lack of consumer protection.

[–] msage@programming.dev -5 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Don't give me that 'hindsight is 20/20', it was the first thought I had when I heard about this.

'How are they going to monetize this?'

Either they sell your data, or they go under and... sell your data.

There was no other option from the inception.

None of this is new, and private companies gobbling up any data they can hasn't been new since at least 2005.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Don't give me that 'hindsight is 20/20', it was the first thought I had when I heard about this.

'How are they going to monetize this?'

The tests weren't free.

[–] msage@programming.dev 2 points 6 days ago

So what are they going to do after?

You won't get tested twice, they still need to pay for existing. After they test everyone, how are they going to keep it up?

Unless they take more money from you, they will sell your data to someone else.

Insurance companies? Advertisers? Those things provide value for bad actors more than for you.

[–] pemptago@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The future is not evenly distributed.

Were you working with data back then? Marketing? You want to argue that there was the same public knowledge around digital data in 2005 (when web 2.0 was in its infancy) as there is now in 2025? Most books I've read on the topic weren't even published till the late 2010's. Surely there was a moment or experience that woke you up to the importance of privacy and the capabilities of data. Not everyone has had experiences like that, even today.

I'm not dismissing personal responsibility, I was just shocked that the dominant, first reaction was "morons" and not "these companies are immoral, and don't deserve our trust." I want privacy as the default and not an overwhelmingly individual arms race against corporations and professionals. The latter is going to lose, and that will hurt the rest of us. If we want the former, as a community we have to get off our high horse, get on the ground, and grow by welcoming those that got burned into the fold. edit: grammer

[–] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I'm glad you had the foresight to keep yourself safe, but unfortunately not everybody is as observant or skilled in critical thinking as you are. We all started from ignorance, and no matter how well-learned a person is, they can't possibly know everything. The least we can do is remind ourselves that we're imperfect too, and have some compassion for those that are just discovering things that we have already learned.

[–] msage@programming.dev 1 points 5 days ago

I have no issue with that, but let's not act like there was anything else other than a trend.

If people said 'I got caught up in the moment, everyone was doing it' then fine, you got duped, it happens.

But don't give me lame excuses. Most people didn't approach it critically, which is not unusual, but own up to it.

I'm tired of the same excuse over and over.

And those tests weren't even that cheap.

[–] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 0 points 6 days ago (2 children)

It shouldn't take hindsight to read the fine print in your 23andme contract. They straight up told folks, that taking their test meant signing over ownership of your DNA samples to them, for whatever future purpose they had in mind.

Anyone who didn't clue in to the fact that meant they were paying that company to own the rights to their DNA, is an idiot.

[–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 3 points 6 days ago

If i would look for my parents or a lost sibling or whatever, i wouldn't care, take my data i guess. But everyone knows that almost everyone who took that test did it for attention and because it was the cool thing influencers did.

[–] pemptago@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Hardly. It stated that you could request to have the sample destroyed and your data removed. it's also been revised multiple times. You read the contract, no?

You read the privacy policy & ToS fine print of every product, service, software you use? And every revision. Even when it's not broadcasted? The contract / "informed consent" model is totally broken. You really want to build your stance on these issue around the claim it's a reasonable system anyone can and should have to navigate?

[–] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Man, when I read the terms of service, it seemed pretty clear who owned your sample...and it wasn't me. That's the biggest reason I have never used one of these services. It seemed like an outright scam. I can't speak to any changes made over the years, but at the time I looked into it, it was a hard nope for me. I have no idea why anyone would voluntarily give their DNA to a company like that, without a full guarantees it wouldn't be used exclusively for their own profit.

[–] pemptago@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago

If you read terms of service and think anything is clear then you have a gift that not many possess. I hope you can appreciate that. Sure, there are a lot of folks who should know better, but there's also a lot who are bad at navigating these things. It's by design. I think it benefits us to be sympathetic and welcoming, and to direct our anger at companies and laws. We need the privacy mindset to spread and fast. I think I understand where you're coming from though. It's so frustrating to care about privacy more than most people.

[–] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 53 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I didn't get the choice when my easily fooled parents decided it was a good idea.

We tried the 'delete your 23 and me data' but who the fuck knows if that works.

Now some corpos own my DNA probably.

Thanks mom.

[–] dutchkimble@lemy.lol 2 points 6 days ago

Wasn’t 23 and me already a corpo that owned it though

[–] lorski@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] cogman@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

You're probably affected by this even if you didn't participate.

The thing about genetics is you can make reasonable predictions about individuals if you have data on their relatives. Heck, you can reasonably make regional predictions with genetic data that will be fairly accurate.

If any of your parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, siblings, etc took this test, then you are now at least a little exposed.

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago (4 children)

23andme was named "invention of the year" by Time in 2008

perfect, I am now openly pro Trump, Zuckerberg and also Putin, all of whom have been named Time Person of the year from 2007 onwards. This is because I don't even bother to understand what Time nominates, but also entirely willing to base very important political or life decisions around this. If you call this out as being incredibly fucking stupid you are victim blaming me. Just because I do not have ever read the magazines nominations of awards that I base my being around does not mean you can attack me for this.

Orphans, people with absent parents, decedents of slaves, the list goes on for folks who would understandably go for an affordable way to access their genetic history.

This is slightly more sympathetic but also 23andme would help you zilch in this scenario because this is not what they do. But I do understand how coming from a vulnerable emotionial position might lead you there.

I'm saddened to see more victim blaming here than anger at the ToS/privacy policy fuckery and a complete lack of consumer protection.

Having said beforementioned, there is 0 consumer protection that would prevent this scenario. This bullshit has to rank among the largest DNA Databse in the world, and, as such, would be the target and has probably been leaked to every major and minor intelligence service in the world since years, even before they just openly sold it off to god knows who. The crux of data security is that while it is a society wide issue, it is also a personal issue. You can't outregulate some idiot just handing over all their data for funsies or SECURITY to whatever entity, to point out the big ones. This holds true regardless of socioeconomic system in place, because the entire point is that it is your data, not anybody elses.

Also, and I do agree I am malding over this, I want to point out that people have been warning about 23andme for a decade for obvious reasons and largely got ignored as being doomer nerds

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 85 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I never fell for it. I hope none of my siblings did, either.

I would have thought that data would be worth more. Maybe the AI guys will just steal it, instead?

[–] SippyCup@feddit.nl 47 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Siblings and first cousins.

Most likely the data 23andme already gathered is enough to narrow down just about anybody in the US.

[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago

340 million and me

[–] Luouth@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wonder if there was anything in the T&Cs that mentioned extrapolation of data leading to identifying genetic relatives and whether their consent was void on this basis. Or whether this could be grounds for interesting lawsuits from nonconsensual relatives being identifiable from the participants' data.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (4 children)

If we believe 23 and me, they have only recieved 11 data requests for 15 accounts and provided zero data to law enforcement.

https://www.23andme.com/transparency-report/

That is a report on formal law enforcement requests for direct account information. Law enforcement is known to use genetic ancestry, so either they are using other sites or just running the tests themselves instead of doing a formal request.

I couldn't find a case for suing companies, just defense requests to dismiss using the data in court but I might not be using the right search terms.

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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 51 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is such a dramatic understatement. They didn’t just sell the genetic data of those 15 million customers. They sold the data of everyone they’re related to, as well. Which is the majority of the population.

You really don’t need to sample a large percentage to get the data of almost everyone.

[–] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 week ago (2 children)

My aunt did this along with posting a bunch of family photos and falling for those quizzes that ask your pet's name or your childhood address. If you have one person like that the privacy of your entire family is compromised.

We told her back around 2010 not to do this kind of stuff, but she's somewhere between "If I have nothing to hide" and "what's the harm?". I hope she gets it now, but we don't talk to her often

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 46 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

entirely fucking predictable. and 256 mil is chump change for essentially genetic data that could be extrapolated to most of the country.

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[–] AernaLingus@hexbear.net 40 points 1 week ago

Shoutout to my dumbass relatives for sending their DNA to this company—thanks for nothing!

[–] andybytes@programming.dev 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I remember when I was younger and I was really learning about the capitalist system, but not from a communist point of view or a socialist point of view. I was just caught up with libertarianism and right-wing ideology and whatever, but nothing like it is today and I was learning about IBM and how they categorize the Jews in the camps. And then I realized all these corporations all have a legacy of brutality. There's more to all this, and people are just not strong enough to accept what's happening in our country. I'm a Libertarian Socialist.

[–] cogman@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I literally had an econ professor years ago who directly told us "do not take a genetics test". This was before the ACA

The reason was simple. It's information that once a private company gets a hold of it, they will use it to hurt you. Whether it's a drug company that learns you're predisposed to addiction, so better to give you it people around you nice temporary discounts on addictive meds, or an insurance company that learns you're predisposed to cancer, so better to look for ways to deny or drop coverage.

Once these companies know a little bit about your nature, they'll exploit any aspect possible to increase profits.

This was not a progressive/socialist econ professor. Just someone who knows how capitalism works.

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[–] Libra@lemmy.ml 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why you don't give your data to companies: their executives and shareholders care more about their bottom line than your privacy.

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Exactly, and you cannot hope to see any meaningful regulation out of the current government.

The company will just buy The Secret Service/Trump's Presidential Library a fleet of Rolls Royce and he'll intimidate congress into silence.

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[–] nucleative@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

My dad was all about this for a while, including convincing my siblings and a few of his siblings to get the report.

I guess that means I'm somehow linked in to this if I ever happen to leave my DNA laying around in the wrong place.

He's awfully quiet about it now though.

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