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[–] 222 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (28 children)

This is something you learn the hard way about neoliberal meritocracy..."They only hire the best and you fight to get there, you're the best until you inevitably aren't at your best...and once you aren't at your best even for a moment of weakness, then you are not the best...and you never were". This is why everyone needs protection from a work culture that burns through people.

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  • [–] 49 points 10 months ago (27 children)

    This is why everyone needs protection from a work culture that burns through people.

    You are all welcome to Europe for that. Come on over.

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  • [–] 63 points 10 months ago (3 children)
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  • [–] 39 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    Europe's going through a pretty big racist anti-immigrant phase, so probably not the best of ideas.

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  • [–] 22 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    For now anyway. Europe is not immune to fascism.

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  • [–] 102 points 10 months ago (15 children)

    In my experience, when you bring up FMLA, then you're going to be fired.

    Its a well-intentioned protection, but not enough legal teeth. Corporations have learned how to work around it.

    This problem will continue to get worse until workers gain power in our society. Mass unionization or socialist revolution would solve the problem; both are very unlikely.

    All that is left is violence; may a thousand Luigi's bloom.

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  • [–] 31 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    this must be an american thing.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Supposedly theres a general mass strike planned for 2028. I'll be participating as a UAW member.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Over 2 years away? What will that even do?

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    This is always what bothered me about being American.

    We protest on convenient days because most people can't be bothered on work days.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago*

    Without work, we lose our job. Without job, no healthcare or house or food or any kind of assistance. No unions to really speak of and no safety net. System has us by the balls.

    They say 36 hours without food causes total upheaval, it seems like that is what will be necessary for an acute change.

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  • [–] 96 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    The sad thing is what is expected now: the manager who made this decision will get fired, if we’re lucky. But their bosses who set the policy, incentives and company culture to do this will apologize profusely, initiate some corporate training and proceed to change nothing. And neither will any other company.

    All over database software, that functions alright as is.


    The state of things feels pretty depressing to me. It feels like accountability at the highest levels is vanishing, especially when I see people like Bezos, Zuck or Musk (or more local leaders outside of my online habits) pursue completely irrational things, with zero consequence. It’s not getting any better; it’s getting so bad even the impact the economy and quality-of-life is getting hard to ignore.

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  • [–] 59 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I actually think the expected reality is worse:

    The family will likely settle out of court. MongoDB will admit to no wrongdoing and the settlement will be sealed and there will be an NDA signed by the family, essentially making it impossible for future employees to get the help they need.

    If the family really, really cares about their daughter's legacy, they need to hold out until MongoDB is willing to admit to wrongdoing, even if it means they don't see a penny.

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  • [–] 79 points 10 months ago (12 children)

    I had this happen to me at a company that is now an IBM subsidiary. I took FMLA leave to get mental health help to cope with the burnout, and about a week after I got back, they took me into an office for a "quick catch-up meeting" where they told me it wasn't working out and that I had to go. I'd worked my balls off, getting promoted directly from product support up to software engineering within a year, but apparently that didn't indicate anything positive to them.

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    I'll just come out and say it was SevOne, although it was well before the acquisition. This was right around the time they got a huge infusion of cash from Chinese investors.

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    Thanks, it was. What's sad is that, when it was just owned by Bain Capital (Mitt Romney's company), things were actually excellent. Great benefits, great work-life balance, if you needed a break you took a break. Then the Chinese money came in and all of a sudden everything went to shit.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago

    yup, taking fmla just signals to these jackals that you actually know your rights...and they don't want you potentially spreading that knowledge via cultural osmosis into their company

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  • [–] 59 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    Hawkernews being unhinged capitalists as always:

    aeternum: 18h

    Sad.

    And perhaps a controversial take but consider the counterfactual: Should it be illegal to fire employees that recent took mental health leave? Get a bad review or put on a PIP? It's already becoming a common strategy to immediately take mental health/sick leave.

    0xbadc0de5: 3h

    This is sad and tragic but ultimately I don't think Mongo bares any responsibility here. If her partner left her while she was having a prolonged mental health crisis, would her partner be to blame for her suicide? I would argue: no.

    You're just an expendable cog to the money machine to techbros.

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  • [–] 43 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    This is sad and tragic but ultimately I don't think Mongo bares any responsibility here

    Annie was on leave receiving intensive mental health treatment when MongoDB demanded her immediate return to work. She asked for an extension to complete her treatment, or at the least a short period to consult with her medical providers about whether and how she might be able to return to work before the treatment was completed. Instead, MongoDB terminated her health insurance and then fired her in violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act and the New York State and City Human Rights Laws. Shortly afterward, Annie took her own life.

    Yeah demanding she return to work is the part where they bare responsibility.

    The frustrating part about being an American is tying work to healthcare.

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  • [–] 58 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I’m sure this happens to thousands of people every year in America. It’s good that awareness is being spread about our dystopian hellscape

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  • [–] 48 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    And Mongo is now on the eternal shit list. As far as I’m concerned this is not merely abuse, it is premeditated murder.

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    [–] 37 points 10 months ago

    Heartbreaking. And revolting. All these companies nowadays bang on about mental health, and supporting diversity, all lip service, of course. But this is utterly despicable, I hope the company doesn't recover from this.

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  • [–] 32 points 10 months ago*

    >Capitalism doesn't kill people

    They fooled us.

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  • [–] 30 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    At this point the AIs would be more humane managers anyway

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    [–] 26 points 10 months ago

    Social murder

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago

    Man, I read this as the technology being blamed, vs. her being their employee. I hope her family gets justice for this, but companies seem to be immune from consequences, so we'll see...

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