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If you live in an apartment, just don't get one

Reasoning edit: pets, especially cats, will leave a smell all over furniture. Cleaning becomes an even worse chore due to the fur. They also require "house training" in order to not chew/claw/destroy most stuff that's lying around the house.

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[–] ptz@dubvee.org 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Per rule #6, please defend your UO position with reasoning.

[–] BakedCookie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 25 minutes ago

Cats ESPECIALLY belong inside because they decimate the local wildlife.

[–] FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I agree - I think it's mean that people keep dogs, for instance, when they're leaving them unattended for most of the day. Personally I wouldn't get a dog unless I had family, a house and a garden for it. Cats have a bit more leeway but I would still want them to have a nice neighbourhood or gardens to explore.

[–] zeca@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Thats the main argument for me. I keep hearing neighbors dogs barking alone all day, it seems so sad to me...

[–] FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

And I can't tell if its a historical norm or if we've essentially seen a huge increase in the number of lonely pets. I get the feeling that having a family pet is part of the american 'white picket fence' package, but that was conceived in a time when married women were usually SAHM - in which case dogs at home are constantly kept company.

I've often said to people that pets should be shared with neighbours, so they can stay as active as poasible and not be too much of a time drain on one family (E.G some dogs need to walk twice a day, or run once a day) but people don't generally seem interested in a pet's happiness.

[–] Rhoeri@piefed.world 5 points 9 hours ago

Soooooo. You’re gatekeeping other people’s apartments?

Here’s your upvote.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 7 points 11 hours ago

Dumps fish tank outside

Sorry, but pets do not belong inside homes.

[–] Cheems@lemmy.world 19 points 23 hours ago

Terribly unpopular and stupid opinion. Have an upvote

[–] Sunsofold@lemmings.world 10 points 1 day ago

That exact same reasoning applies to humans as well, but we still let them into the house. However, though from a very weird direction, you have certainly landed on an unpopular opinion.

[–] slothrop@lemmy.ca 62 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Cats are healthier and live longer when kept indoors.

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 56 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Local wildlife are healthier and live longer when cats are kept indoors, too.

[–] ronl2k@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

There's no evidence that domestic cats put pressure on local wildlife. Most domesticated cats live near urban and suburban humans and can keep household rodent populations down. They also have no impact on urban birds like pigeons, sparrows or crows.

If by domestic, you mean cats that live indoors, agreed. Otherwise there's an extensive amount of evidence:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_predation_on_wildlife

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 57 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Upvoted for the opinion being unpopular.

Cats don't belong outside. They will kill local wildlife and have contributed to the extinction of dozens of species.

I don't think fish care either way as long as they get the space and care they need. That is, a tiny pond outside isn't any better than a tank of the same volume indoors, all other things being equal.

Rodents definitely belong inside, if having a rodent as a pet is allowed at all in this scenario. I feel like this doesn't require further explanation.

I could see rabbits liking being outside, as long as they're adequately protected from predators. They do well inside, too. I'd call this one 50:50.

If reptiles and amphibians should be kept as pets at all, indoors is way better.

I imagine almost all invertebrate pets would have to be indoors.

Pets that are livestock species go outside, yeah. No argument here.

Some animals shouldn't be pets at all. Some belong inside. Some belong outside. Some go in and out. It's a mixed bag.

[–] slothrop@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Upvoted and upvoted. It's weird that in c/UO, a truly extremely unpopular opinion gets downvoted!
It should be in the top few of all time!

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

It's tempting, it's really tempting. It's easy not to downvote an unpopular opinion, but when it's a really fucking stupid opinion as well.... Ooooh I really wanna push that button.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Pets that are livestock species go outside, yeah. No argument here.

Well, they should have a cozy barn if they’re pets. If they’re really pets, with HVAC and all.

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Agreed. I generally think of "Indoors" as meaning "within the home" in this case.

I do too, but I’ve seen where some people keep their horses and would gladly move in!

[–] snoons@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

I could see rabbits liking being outside, as long as they’re adequately protected from predators.

Depends on the type of rabbit. Someone had the same thought as you and abandoned their pet rabbit outside where it starved to death. It was really cute, floppy and big.

Other times it is successful, eats all of the vegetation and create burrows in so many places it threatens the structural integrity of all the buildings in the area.

[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

Your reasoning simply seems to reflect the need for additional training and effort on the part of the pet owner. That’s not “reasoning” so much as removed. Pets do perfectly well in human dwellings, so long as care and effort are taken to make it so. It kind of sounds like you shouldn’t own an indoor pet. That’s fine for you. Stop telling other people what to do when they may well be more caring and/or less lazy than you.

[–] Carvex@lemmy.world 42 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wow that is an unpopular opinion

Right? I'm trying to imagine a similar but even less popular one.

Maybe, "People should have to earn a PhD in Veterinary Medicine and have published post doctoral work in the particular species they keep as pets."

[–] essell@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Upvoted because I do disagree, where else they gonna go?

cats outside are a menace, for example. Responsible thing to do is keep them inside.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 1 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

From the amount of "cats are dangerous if outside", it's starting to sound like we are the only thing keeping them from destroying environments, after introducing them

That’s 100% correct.

[–] Janx@piefed.social 1 points 2 hours ago

Yep. They are adorable fuzzy little psychopaths. So we have to be the adults and look out for nature as well as them...

[–] essell@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

Absolutely. Plenty of evidence for that.

Though I'm not a fan of the collective responsibility for choices which happened outside of the time and space you and I exist in.

I'll take responsibility for my cat.

[–] marighost@piefed.social 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Upvoted because unpopular but I personally think youre a boring person. Sure, animals smell but thats why you clean them and your house. Id rather clean my house 5 times a week than not have my dogs.

[–] Janx@piefed.social 1 points 2 hours ago

I'd rather visit someone who's given a loving home to a cat/dog/whatever than someone who lives in a boring, sterile, orderless, pristine home. Children are smelly and messy and destructive too, but people have always managed with them! Clean after your pet regularly, and live life rather than perfection. They're worth it...

[–] Bougie_Birdie@piefed.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

At some point in your life, you also required training to make sure you didn't destroy the furniture or shit on the floor

Cleaning is part of the care. I guess that's just what the deal is though

Some people think animals shouldn't live indoors. It's worth reminding those people that humans are animals

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We should spend a lot more time outside, too

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

well then the outside should be nicer

Outside would be nicer if we stopped hating the unhoused.

[–] Gnugit@aussie.zone 4 points 1 day ago

Yes, we absolutely should.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Upvoted, because you’re totally incorrect.

Are you advocating for the somewhat extreme position that pets shouldn’t exist?

Your reasoning suggests that basic duties of pet ownership such as basic training and grooming are too onerous. Canids do not soil their den in the wild and so easily are trained not to soil indoors, and cats don’t need training to use a litter box.

[–] mirshafie 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How dare you. My cat is an angel and I'm lucky to get to clean her fur.

[–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

Paws typed this comment

[–] OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Don't come over.

[–] CoffeeTails@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Why tho?

I mean many pets shouldn't live in a small apartment. Few pets are ok with it. Some pets are okay with living in bigger apartments but then it's more about giving enough enrichment and outdoor or balcony time it it fits the pet

[–] Glytch@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

You seem to have a very limited view on what constitutes a "pet".

If by that you meant "I don't like the effect pets have on my living spaces", sure, of course, and you don't have to get one/let them inside if the weather's okay!

[–] MantisToboggon@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What if it's a really sexy one?

[–] slothrop@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

Checkmate OP!!

[–] Sunsofold@lemmings.world 1 points 1 day ago

That exact same reasoning applies to humans as well, but we still let them into the house. However, though from a very weird direction, you have landed on an unpopular opinion.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Not so unpopular. I love animals, and BECAUSE of that they don't belong in our home. The suffering the pet-industry creates adds a large layer to that. Also I don't like enslaving creatures and see no reason in caring for a being that will at best be a 3yr old human forever (dog).

The practical problems destroying stuff and leaving dirt would not even phase us overly much, our maid cares for all of that. Still would be wasteful to replace a couch every week just because we had a cat 😁