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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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INFO

A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions

Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/58389486

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[–] Butterphinger@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Sets Immich settings to use cellular data to upload video

[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

Lifi and a wired network should work in case they use jamming.

[–] hardcoreufo@lemmy.world 71 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sounds like he's threatening to murder her to me. That should be time behind bars.

[–] madjo@feddit.nl 20 points 1 day ago

Should, yes, but won't.... sadly.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 12 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I think we owe a ton of those first amendment auditors an apology. Or at least I would offer them one if I saw videos of them out here now.

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[–] Puddinghelmet@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

ORGANIZE PROTEST STRIKES IN ALL WORKPLACES, JOIN YOUR WORK UNIONS!!! FIGHT THIS TERROR WITH UNITY!!! DEMAND THE IMMEDIATE RELEASE OF THE ARRESTED PEOPLE!!! DEMAND THE DISSOLUTION OF THE ICE AND THIS GOV !!!

STRIKE!!! STRIKE!!! STRIKE!!!
 Bring the entire economy of AMERICA to a standstill for one day:
 the shipyards, factories, workshops, offices and banks, municipal services, and public works!!

MAKE YOUR DEMANDS CLEAR EVERYWHERE: FORCE THE ICE SCUM OUT, IMPEACH TRUMP, PUT HIM IN JAIL, AND BREAK THE STRANGLEHOLD OF BILLIONAIRE (TECH) POWER OVER OUR GOV, TAX THE RICH, FAIR WAGES AND NATIONAL HEALTHCARE!!!

STAND UNITED!! BE COURAGEOUS!!
 FIGHT PROUDLY FOR THE LIBERATION OF OUR COUNTRY!!!
Friends: Pass this manifesto on after reading it.

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[–] bluegreenpurplepink@lemmy.world 236 points 2 days ago (4 children)

How else do you interpret what he says other than that he's threatening to kill her, since that's what's been happening the last couple of days, one woman is dead and two people are injured. We all know about qualified immunity, but are police and ice agents actually allowed to threaten to murder people? Are there no exceptions to qualified immunity when it comes to threatening to kill people?

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 106 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's a plain death threat. What I wouldn't give to have all the internal memos that are no doubt cheering on the bloodshed to be leaked.

[–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I wonder if it'd be prudent to buy our own body cams for interactions like these?

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 73 points 2 days ago (5 children)

ICE has killed much more than one person. The only reason she's getting so much widespread attention is because she's a blonde, white, conventionally attractive citizen.

Not to minimize her death though, everyone is right to be outraged. I just want to point out that their other victims also deserve to be remembered.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 72 points 2 days ago (43 children)

It's also getting so much attention because it was on video and fucking insane. If she wasn't trying to drive away and it was a more common scenario like she was getting physical with him or something, it would hit differently. She wasn't an immigrant (meaning why is this asshole even talking to her? They operate on fully racist criteria so it's not like he was talking to her in order to do his shitty job) AND she was trying to get away. Not saying her being white has nothing to do with this getting so much attention but the other specifics are most of it imo.

[–] giantripdrop@piefed.social 42 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

yes, "she was a pretty white blonde" I think is missing that there are 2 videos that clearly show the murder.

I do think the fact she was a white women did hit the 'holy-shit-this-could-happen-to-me" button for alot of people.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago

Yeah I agree with both points. When George Floyd was murdered, society didn't get less racist overnight. People were so pissed because we saw it happen. Anyone can say whatever they want to the contrary, but we are a visual species, and seeing someone murdered is far more emotionally impactful than hearing about it

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[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago

I didn't know what she looked like at first, from the videos I saw. I think that's true for most people. The reason for the outrage is that they killed a person, in the middle of the day, in the open, while being recorded, without them doing anything violent. There have been many more deaths, but nothing this obviously and visibly wrong. Yes, the other victims deserve to be remembered, but this one was different, besides her being a white woman.

[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago

I think what also separates her death is, specifically, she was executed in braid daylight with multiple cameras on it.

The other people ICE has killed have generally been less recorded.

Although, the lady those assholes rammed into and shot 5 times should have alone lead to the total abolition of ICE.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago

He's at minimum suggesting that if you're seen as impeding them in any way, bad things will happen to you.

Which is literally the exact attitude that leads to this continuing and continuing to get worse. Fucking horrendous attitude for someone with authority to have. But that field attracts people who hold attitudes like that, and it's why no one should ever trust the police.

I'm not going to dox myself but I had some really horrible shit happen to people in my life due to a cop. He recently tried to "make amends" by acting like it never happened and he admitted his dad was a "dirty cop". Which I took as a sign that he was really talking about himself. He used his power as a LEO to fuck lives up. And I despise him for it. I do not think that's atypical at all.

[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 2 days ago

They're a paramilitary force beholden only to the Donald Trump. They are very literally akin to the SA. No they are not beholden to any laws. They are only beholden to Trump.

[–] whitecollarcry@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Will there be learning when one of these dickheads has a bullet in their fucking head or gets disappeared? Do Republicans learn? Does ICE care or have compassion? These are the questions

[–] Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (7 children)

No, just escalation. An ICE agent being shot is exactly what the Trump admin is after.

[–] Koarnine@pawb.social 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, nonsense.

The trump admin wants to enact their plan. This bullshit about 'giving them a reason' is idiotic.

They are searching for and will find their own reasons, they're calling this innocent mother of three 'radicalised by the left'.

You are arguing for a lack of resistance.

You are right there will be escalation, but the escalation is coming regardless.

How many more innocent people have to be brutally murdered before enough is enough?

Or what do you suggest is done otherwise?

Personally I'm an advocate for burning their homes while they are out terrorising.

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[–] MBech@feddit.dk 8 points 1 day ago (5 children)

"The revolution will be bloodless if the left allows it to" - Kevin Roberts president of the Heritage Foundation. That's what you're arguing for. They don't need a reason, they've already killed people without one.

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[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

or gets disappeared?

They're a lot less dangerous alone and off duty. If we're not safe, why should they be?

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[–] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 57 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I've learned that when Trump's goon squad murders citizens the only ones allowed to investigate it are Trump's police force, meaning that there will be no consequences forthcoming from the government, making the government illegitimate. That limits the public's recourse to vigilante justice and full scale rebellion if we want to be free

[–] ReHomed@lemmy.cafe 35 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Violent rebellion is almost definitely the only way we escape from this hell

The right has made it extremely clear that they are not in it for actual civility, or creating a coherent society. The right are here because they want to torture and hurt others, they want to rape and murder and torment freely without punishment, because they're deranged, demented sadists.

You CANNOT civilize with that kind of person, no amount of talking is going to convince them to sit down and think about principle.

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[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 41 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Less shouting, more shooting. There are only two good endings for cops - dead or resigned.

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We need a new version of the Black Panthers to remind them that guns are everywhere. Some sort of, I dunno, anti fascism coalition or something

[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 17 points 1 day ago

The Black Panthers still exist and are still recruiting.

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[–] Yeller_king@reddthat.com 38 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I wouldn't vote to convict her if she'd killed him. Clearly would have been self-defense.

[–] ViceroTempus@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Anybody who shoots a Republican or ICE will always have me voting "Not Guilty" as it's a clear case of Self Defense to me. I will hang that jury til I'm removed or they vote my way.

And no I do not care in what circumstances a Republican's or ICE terrorist's life comes to end, even if that means they were sleeping in bed when their home or hotel burned down. Melt 'em.

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[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How long until the reprisal killings start?

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[–] dadarobot@lemmy.ml 64 points 2 days ago (19 children)

does anyone know self hosted video recording software? so if you record the cops, and they take or break your phone, the footage is on a nas?

[–] slothrop@lemmy.ca 39 points 2 days ago

First thing that comes to mind is to host your own jitsi server and record to that. I may just give it a go now.

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[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 15 points 1 day ago

God damn Gestapo

[–] BC_viper@lemmy.world 48 points 2 days ago (4 children)
[–] foodandart@lemmy.zip 51 points 2 days ago (23 children)

Naah.. Find out who they are. Name and shame them to their famlies. Their kids, esp. if they have any, will be mortified.

Schwarzenegger pointed out how his father's generation were broken and ruined in the 50's - all those Austrian men that blindly capitulated to the Germans and then ate themselves alive in guilt and shame decades later.

Death is easy.

A lifetime of misery, guilt and abuse of one's kids and spouse leaves a longer, better generational impression.

Ask yourself why so many Millennials and Gen Z are supportive of this horseshit, and I'll tell you of cohorts of people that have not confronted the misery of the political views they think are cool. Not a lot of survivors of the NAZI atrocities left today. God knows, I knew many as a child of the 70's.

I want these modern brownshirts to emotionally suffer and be abusive drunks that their wives divorce and their kids hate.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Schwarzenegger pointed out how his father's generation were broken and ruined in the 50's - all those Austrian men that blindly capitulated to the Germans and then ate themselves alive in guilt and shame decades later.

Yeah, they were broken and ruined because the combined militaries of primarily the Soviet Union, United States and United Kingdom murdered millions of Nazis.

They lost.

Because they died.

Because we killed them.

The ones who survived were of course broken, because their former death cult had been (with some glaring, notable exceptions) dismantled with extreme prejudice and violence, and a lot of collateral damage, making the idea of German national/ethnic supremacy into a two time loser within a single life time.

They were beaten into submission and brokenness.

Forgetting that, just assuming the same result happens without that, is about as stupid as US Boomers not realizing that the reason they grew up in a golden age was because WW2 had destroyed so much of the industrial capacity of the developed world that it just left the US as the de facto manufacturing hub of the capitalist world.

You also fundamentally miscalculate that condemning them to living miserable, emasculated, forlorn lives should be enough as punishment.

No!

Those are precisely the conditions that give rise to fascism, within a decaying capitalist system.

Fascism is what happens when you have too many of such people, and you don't provide them with an actually improving society.

Your "solution" is to just reset the timer, untill enough of those pissed off failed AmeriNazis decide to try again.

Fascism only understands force.

You have to beat them to death, or at the very least, into terrified, maimed, castrated irrelevance.

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