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More than 100 Arizona Palestinian, Arab, Muslim, and progressive Democrats and community leaders have signed a letter making the case for those reluctant to support Kamala Harris against Donald Trump.

“We know that many in our communities are resistant to vote for Kamala Harris because of the Biden administration’s complicity in the genocide,” the letter, published Thursday night, reads.

“Some of us have lost many family members in Gaza and Lebanon. We respect those who feel they simply can’t vote for a member of the administration that sent the bombs that may have killed their loved ones,” the letter continued. “As we consider the full situation carefully, however, we conclude that voting for Kamala Harris is the best option for the Palestinian cause and all of our communities.”

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[–] Freefall@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I wish these .ml clowns would hold their impotent revolution stirring for ONE critical election. Once trump is gone and MAGA gets told they are unacceptable by a massive blue tsunami, then trump is completely into dementia before he gets another chance to lose, then you can go be a hero and fight against our interests at home in favor of....still doing genocide....or whatever ignorant magical change you think is going to happen instead.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Why when i can do it now? The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The 2nd best time is now.

If kamala loses thats her fault. Not mine. She could have demonstrated support for Palestinians she has decided to snub a minority group at literally every turn.

No one is asking kamala to commit to a course she has no control over. Whether we sell arms to Israel is squarely in the presidents hands. We have laws in the books that cover this exact situation. Kamala needs to 'follow the law' as she is often quoted saying.

Now i suggest you go get checked for mental health issues as you clearly think committing a genocide is perfectly acceptable and that people voting against it are the problem. No one has forced Kamala into this position but herself. No one has forced you into your insanity except yourself.

[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago

You're not trying to plant a tree, you're trying to burn down the forest.

[–] hate2bme@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They must not know Claudia de la Cruz.

[–] antifa@infosec.pub 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's probably necessary because they do know of her

[–] hate2bme@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And you think Harris is more for Palestine than de la Cruz?

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

De La Cruz can say whatever she wants about Palestine because she knows she doesn't have a chance in Hell of winning. Any third party candidate can say whatever they think will win over voters when there's no risk for doing so. Harris doesn't have that luxury during such a close race.

[–] hate2bme@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

She doesn't have that luxury because she is complicit.

[–] ArugulaZ@lemmy.zip -1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Tankies: "B-but now we can't swing the election to Trump with our constant whining and unrealistic demands!"

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

If you think changing a position on genocide is unreasonable, you are the problem. No one is saying dont protect israel, no one is saying they cant defend themselves. Neither situation applies atm. Israel is the aggressor at this point.

Have you ever noticed how everyone goes on and on about the right to defend themselves and then conveniently ignoring that as soon as the threat is neutralized self defense no longer applies?

Israel is the antagonist at this point. They dont have to keep invading new regions. They've managed to kill more hostages than they've rescued.

They keep killing journalist, doctors, nurses, etc from international organizations.

If you think telling kamala and the Democrats to stop supporting this is unreasonable: You. Are. The. Problem.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Trump will cause millions to die in the middle East and in Ukraine. Being pro peace and pro Trump is impossible. These people are either massive, massive morons or saboteurs.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago

Indeed he will, and so will harris. Biden has slow walked support for Ukraine as well.

I'm sorry Kamala has decided to be a shitty human (its hardly just gaza that has caused my vote to be casted for a 3rd party). But thats the way the cookie crumbled. I can do more to protect people on these shores via other means of direct action. Kamala changing positions on gaza is all i can do for my Palestinian brothers and sisters.

[–] atk007@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Brutal. You have to support the one who kills half of your children because the other one will kill all of them.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Lol no i dont. Id be going after both of them.

[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You'd vote for both of them? That wouldn't work out well in your favor, they'd just throw the ballot out.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago (3 children)

no, I'd 'go after' them. not vote, not support, actively fight against. as i am doing now.

you: 'Excuse me dear these two murders are running for office, I have to let one of them murder our children' jfc you poor soul.

[–] CptEnder@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago

Hey it's cool you can just say you support Trump, no need for the extra steps.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Tell me you don’t understand the concept of harm reduction without telling me you don’t understand the concept of harm reduction.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

yawn tired trope. there are other levers to pull for reducing essentially every other harm. its clear you dont understand how to effectively leverage your vote to reduce harm and are supportive of a genocide. congrats i guess?

Let me know when you're no longer a willing participant in a genocide and then we can talk about harm reduction.

[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

You: "I don't like these two candidates so I'm going to do everything I can to ensure the worst one wins!"

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I'm going to ensure people know they are other options than voting for genocide. if harris loses to fucking trump as a result, that's her fault not mine. learn to place blame were it properly belongs: On the person committed to a genocide. I didnt force her down this path. I didnt force you down this path. You and her choose it willingly.

Let me know when you're willing to stop supporting a genocide and then we can talk.

[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I'm going to ensure people know they are other options

I haven't heard of any viable option, so you've failed. The only way to accomplish what you want to accomplish, what we all want to accomplish, is to elect enough local politicians that support massive electoral overhaul to disrupt the two party system. FPtP and winner-take-all must go, but we're never gonna get there by throwing our votes away to unviable third parties. In the meantime, we do the best with what we have and we let logic rule our decisions, not emotion. Try it!

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago

Viable isnt the goal. The goal is to withholding support for genocidal candidate keep up.

You can absolutely do that by supporting 3rd party candidates.

  1. If you live in a 💜 state lie to your candidates and exit polls, say you do not support harris support instead and cite genocide for the reason. But shes likely your best bet so no hurt feelings either way you vote. But remember its Harris' responsibility to earn your vote through policies and positions. She doesnt have many this year besides not being a fascist and that sadly probably enough in those states honestly. To the Arab community her treatment of your community has been horrible and disgusting and I'm sorry I'll continue fighting for your family as i can.
  2. If you live in a 💙 state, and most of us do, there are 16, consider with holding your vote for harris. Let your critters know what you're doing and why.
  3. If you live in a💩state im sorry 😔. I have no advice for you except be as active as you can local elections.