A good insight on the feasibility of the eurostack [at the time of writing].

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[–] 12 points 8 months ago (8 children)

And that's just IT. I suspect it would be a lot harder if it was a physical product. It reminds me of Smarter Every Days videos about how hard it was to make a purely American made grill scrubber.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    I think you’d be surprised. Europe has a quite robust manufacturing base compared to its “cloud hosting” base.

    It’s sort of a mirror image of the U.S. yes we can make things here, even at a competitive price, but we’re really behind on cloud offerings.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Many of the basic components will be hard to source from a European factory. Things like nuts and bolts.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    True. Most of the manufacturing seems to be mid - high value add manufacturing. (Ie washing machines, ventilation, electrical, etc)

    Literal commodity manufactured parts will be more global.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    If we are looking at this from the angle of geopolitical dependency rather than ideological purity it's quite far down the list to self-manufacture products that are available widely from several countries with varied political and economic ties.

    The point is to diffuse the economic ties enough that no actor would be individually holding a leash like US currently is. In some products this requires local capability, but hardly all of them, the point is to make EU a sovereign actor at the world stage, not prepare for an "EU against the World" -war where EU detaches itself from the global community.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I don't know about factory, but Würth as a company can deliver all your nuts and bolts and crapload of other things from their own manufacturing.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Yeah, I intentionally said "European factory" and not "European company". A lot of European companies have factories outside of the EU, and a lot of companies also make deals about rebranding the products from others that they sell.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I like it! The only thing I personally would is forgejo instead of gitea.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Result: It is possible and cheaper. The rest are details.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (5 children)

    Your users expect "Sign in with Google" and "Sign in with Apple."

    Doubt it. Good app? They will use it anyway. How do they register for Google and Apple?

    If you want Claude, and I very much want Claude, that's Anthropic, that's the US.

    If you want EU, stop wanting Claude then. What's the point here?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    @Undertaker @europe @genau

    I think we need a "Coalition of Freedom" to work with all those people in the USA who are resisting and organizing. That doesn't mean buying from the US, but it does mean working with groups, such as Galloway's Resist and Unsubscribe movement. I'm pissed off at America beyond words, but I do support those who are trying to resist and change things over there. Our Buy From EU/Canada campaigns are supported by those people there, which I appreciate.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    That's quite a different perspective. For me, eurostacking is strategic, I don't care what happens across the pond, I would strive to euromaxx even if some other regime was in control over there.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    @genau I care if democracy and liberty prevail everywhere, and that includes America. And the more Americans we have on our side, and the more that reject that Nazi regime, the better off we'll be as well. So yes, I think it's a good thing to be independent, and it's a good thing to have help from allies, and to help them in return. Sorry for the long reply.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    @genau I don't support Europe for blood and soil reasons. I support it for what it stands for: freedom, democracy, independence, liberty. Those are the qualities I support. It doesn't matter regionally where those qualities appear: I'll support them there. I think the EU matters more to me right now because I live here, because I'm half French, and because I think we need to do this regardless, but it doesn't mean that I don't care who wins over in America. I do care. (cont)

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    @genau I don't completely disagree with that perspective: I think that being independent is a good thing in itself. I encourage everyone to support this movement regardless. However, it's not unrelated. And I do think 1) It matters what happens there and 2) we do have allies. It would be better if we didn't have a literal enemy at our backs but, instead, an ally. And the more people we get to switch to supporting EU and FOSS projects there, the better off we'll be. (cont).

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