13esq

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[–] 13esq@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I'm done here, have a nice day.

[–] 13esq@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

I'd argue that whilst it is the source of the debate that I'm currently only interested in the tangential discussion regarding freedom of speech and whether it is ok to label someone a Nazi because you disagree with them.

You can discuss Musk with other people, I'm not interested.

[–] 13esq@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

I'm not getting drawn in to the debate of wether it was or wasn't.

I'm defending people's rights to have an opinion without being labeled a Nazi by default because it trivialises the awful crimes commited in WWII.

Denying the holocaust is a crime in some countries, and with good reason. Let me know when we're not allowed to discuss the actions of Musk.

[–] 13esq@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (8 children)

It's an opinion. I'm not saying it was, I'm not saying it wasn't, I'm expressing some level of doubt, nothing more nothing less.

But I'm not here to talk about musk's salute, I'm here to say people are entitled to an opinion.

[–] 13esq@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (10 children)

I'm not arguing about Musk here, I'm arguing whether people should be allowed to express themselves.

[–] 13esq@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (12 children)

Ok, that's fine, but what you are doing is equating everyone that expresses a different opinion on musks salute to a Nazi, and whilst I understand why that is a popular opinion here, I don't think it's entirely helpful.

You could say it's your opinion that they are gullible, delusional, easily misled or whatever else, let me know when democracy, the rule of law and human rights are being infringed and let's talk.

[–] 13esq@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (14 children)

asks definition of a wordwhen given the definition moves the goal posts in an incredibly condescending way.

Why don't you stop criticising me as a person and say what you want to say in plain English?

I take it you can't articulate your problem with my argument and that's why you have a problem with me instead.

[–] 13esq@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (16 children)

Opinion:

a view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge

What's your point? Other than trying to discredit me by insinuating I'm an idiot?

I never thought that endorsing the freedom of speech would be so controversial!

[–] 13esq@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (18 children)

Nice opinion, you're entitled to that!

[–] 13esq@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (20 children)

Free speech means having to read and hear things you don't like or disagree with every now and again. I personally think bans should be restricted to hate speech or else we'll sleep walk in to an echo chamber.

[–] 13esq@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

I'd be getting bored if it was an echo chamber of any flavour.

As I've said in other comments, I'm here to learn and part of that means exposing myself to people that do not think alike to me. I'm not hear to circle jerk about how right we are, maybe that was fun the first few thousand times, it's just boring now.

Ideally I'd like to get involved with a broad spectrum of people that somewhat represent the society that we live in.

Maybe I should just get offline and go to the pub.

[–] 13esq@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

In the UK there is some similarity between liberal and left wing ideas, despite them being distinct political groups. Liberalism was originally seen as very left wing, a lot of people are now arguing that there is more in common with right wing politics, small state and such.

I'd say my experience here has been much more left wing than liberal though, just my opinion.

 

Since Trump, I'm finding the Lemmy.world experience to be increasingly akin to an echo chamber and it's quite frankly starting to bore me. (Inb4, I'm a left winger and I don't like Trump, but I'm much more interested in a good spirited debate or novel points of view than I am in Orange man bad Nazi circle jerks)

If I wanted the same repetitive comments to be upvoted and any different opinion at all to be downvoted and even blocked/banned, I'd have just stayed on Reddit.

Are there any instances where different, opposing and novel points of view are celebrated and debated rather than simply derided and downvoted?

 

I fully understand the man is controversial to say the least, I'm not a huge fan myself, but I think that if he was legitimately a Nazi, that he's smart enough to not outright advertise it.

Socially awkward, autistic, right winger - Yes

Literally a Nazi - No

Bring on the downvotes 🤣

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submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by 13esq@lemmy.world to c/unpopularopinion@lemmy.world
 

I understand why he is unpopular with many people and to be frank I have quite the distaste for all billionaires, but he is not stupid which is something that is often claimed.

No-one becomes a multi-billionaire due to a lack of intelligence or common sense.

Musk knows exactly what he is doing, he didn't buy Twitter to make a quick buck, he bought it derail it and he's done that quite thoroughly. $35bn to Musk is pocket change.

I mean I get it, if I was a big Twitter user and a new CEO made it something that I now hated, I'd think the bloke was an idiot, but that is actually just a difference of opinion and has nothing to do with intelligence.

In short, whilst Musk is clearly very unpopular with some people and I can understand why, the man clearly is not an idiot. Some people really don't like it when you tell them that.

Edit: 14 downvotes in 30 minutes lol, I can't say I wasn't expecting this but judging by the replies so far, I think it just proves that it's an unpopular opinion!

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