EightBitBlood

It's a picture of the stock market melting down...

...from a time frame of 2021 and on.

Which implies the growth from that time until now is somewhat meaningful in comparison to the dip that specific time frame does its best to minimize.

Which to me, seems intentional. Kinda like you're being a dick. Which is why I responded like one in turn.

If that was all an accident:

Then apologies for calling you an idiot and listing in detail all the ways I agree with you about the market melting.

Yep. There's this strategy called "pump and dump." It's often used by the wealthy to inflate stock prices before cratering them to buy at discount.

Idiots like you see line go up for a while, and think:

• I'll buy at a discount as it falls

Instead of noticing the "pump" part of the scheme, also visible in your image.

Unless you want to point to some economic windfall happening between 2022 and 24 that explains all that growth, it is very likely from downsizing, buybacks, and off market darkpool price manipulation. (Which now happens regularly these days with every blue chip stock around 5pm).

Historically, Tariffs lead to a recession in 1830 (15% Tariffs), a Depression in 1930 (20% Tariffs), and now with a 40% plus Tariffs on basically everything, we are likely to see the complete disembowlment of the US Dollar and all the market dominance we built with it.

You better get your completely misplaced premature celebration out now, because you are going to be eating crow the rest of this year, and far into the future. There's no amount of bullshit Trump spin that will bring our markets back. We are unquestionably fucked.

I will gladly check back here in 8 months to provide an updated chart, seeing as you will certainly be too embarrassed to do so.

Just FYI, you're arguing with someone that agrees with you.

I agree with you too, but only about your main point. Not "all men."

That assumption is the same logic as bigots and the very "men" you are trying to chastize. Let me just rephrase what you wrote to make my point:

It truly is 'all women' when it comes to a discussion about being involuntarily celibate. Using whataboutism to studiously ignore the issue at hand.

You literally are using the same arguments that incels do to justify their hatred and punishment of women.

Just changing the who and what in that argument does not make it a logically sound one.

Anecdotally, I'm a man, and one that has literally saved a woman from being arrested for assault because I recognized she was having an extreme bipolar manic episode, and not just "going crazy" like her female friends believed when they called the cops on her.

The belief our penis prevents us from acting humane is laughable bigotry.

If you want to make a scientific point, don't follow it with unscientific insults.

I don't disagree. But I have a unique take on the fall of empires and the evil inherent in humans.

Imo, evil is a byproduct of human selfishness. Taking without empathy towards where it's coming from. Money, power, property, and even life itself.

There are people that do this because of their isolated environment. (Raised to think anyone that doesn't look like them isn't human, and therefore it's alright to exploited them for gain.)

And there are those that do it because they are sociopaths.

While Sociopathic diagnoses isn't an easy thing we can pin down. In a world where our social behaviors can be dramatically affected by our genetics (autism) it's not hard to assume sociopathy is just another manifestation of something like autism. Just a more extreme one - where a person literally is incapable of understanding others as human with emotions like them.

These people are born incapable of understanding that other people have feelings at all. So they don't contribute to communities, they don't help others, they just lie and pretend to be like others to exploit for their own gain. They lie to appear social and kind (towards some), as that attracts others in that group they can easily take from.

You know the uncanny valley? The unsettling feeling we get when we see CG that looks human, but doesn't quite move or act like a real human?

imo that's an evolutionary response to our habit of breeding sociopaths. They pretend VERY hard to be human, but lack the natural primate communal instinct everyone else is born with. They look human, but don't act like it compared to the rest of the community.

In smaller groups, like towns or families, these people can be kicked out and otherwise ostracized to protect the smaller community from being exploited.

But in larger communities, it's an all you can exploit buffet. In larger communities, sociopaths thrive because there is an endless amount of trusting people they can exploit. If they fail, they just move on to the next group of suckers.

If they manage to extract enough power, then all they have to do is keep lying to maintain it. But always, and eventually, at the cost of the larger community itself. There is a finite limit of exploitation that once reached, no longer serves to preserve the larger community, just the power of the sociopaths in it. The community collapses, as it's support mechanisms have been diverted to the sociopaths, and the sociopaths are then unable to lie any longer and usually blamed / killed / ostracized for their bullshit now that it's obvious.

So while sociopaths are thankfully not the norm when it comes to humans, just a few in a group can take down our largest efforts to civilize.

This is why smaller human cultural groups tend to have much longer histories than massive empires. (Bushido and martial arts still exist, but the Shogunate does not). We are always going to breed sociopaths, and in turn they will make sure we never get too big for our own good.

Problems arise when the world itself is now fairly united, and sociopaths have no where left to run and hide.

If we want our biggest countries and empires to persist longer than 250 years, then we needs laws that prevent sociopaths from doing their thing.

I'm a big fan of wealth caps. Because it's non intrusive on a person's genetics, and the only people that complain about having 800 mil to spend instead of 1 billion, are sociopaths.

Anyway. That's my way of saying:

• We are not all evil, mostly it's sociopaths (and the wealthy brought up inhumane bubbles.)

• Sociopaths are the reason every human empire has fallen.

• There's a lot of powerful sociopaths running the world because we spent decades collecting all our best resources together in large shiny empires that called the worst of us like a moth to flame for their exploitation.

Oh I don't disagree at all there either.

I should have been more clear in that SOME of what's being pushed to you is rhetoric. (Especially with the Poilievre side of the media being almost identical to MAGA in that way.)

I never meant to imply that anti-American sentiment is ONLY from rhetoric. It's been embarrassing to be an American for years now, so likewise I understand the feeling of disgust towards us and our behaviour.

But a large reason we are in this position is because we became divided on the wrong issues. Every conversation and headline became blaming Dems or the GOP for where we are instead of the oligarchs that have financed both parties for decades. The project 2025 BS is their wet dream, and Trump just needed their money to win and stay out of jail. Selling us all out to them to do so.

So now that I see that same money heading Canada's way, to likewise divide you against yourselves and us - I feel it's worth noting caution. Be sceptical of inflammatory headlines, and wary of others that downplay obviously bad things like a politicians criminal record. (wtf America).

But blaming the majority of American citizens is like blaming the majority of Russian ones at this point. It's Putin / Trumps desires our governments are acting on, not our own.

The biggest difference is most of us have guns, and aren't afraid to Luigi them towards our oligarchs. Fingers crossed we solve this one way or another before it affects other countries worse than ours.

Don't disagree. But the majority of Americans didn't vote for this. Our system is just out-dated and has been slowly rigged over decades to benefit the few over the many. MOST Americans have never wanted Trump to be President. Many have spent years trying to get others to understand the consequences of his first election, and what is now his second term.

But the voices of the many, are easily drowned out by the voices of the few who enough resources to purchase all our social spaces (Twitter / Facebook) and fill it with bad actors posing as other Americans who spout oligarch rhetoric.

But our oligarchy have only radicalized a minority of us, not the majority.

So while I understand your frustration with Americans, at least 1/3 of them have been fighting against this shit for a long time, and another 1/3 have done nothing. (Which is a different conversation

The point is - this bullshit is now bleeding into Canada and the rest of the world. So the Americans who have lost their country to it might have the best information to share about preventing it.

"Divide and Conquer" is the name of the game, and now that the US is Divided between right and left, billions of dollars of disinfo is now getting aimed your way instead.

With "Canada hates Americans" being the headline Trump wants to see in order to invade you. This is why anti-American rhetoric is being pushed to you, and why anti-Canadian rhetoric is being pushed to us.

We've only been allies until now, and the majority of Americans want Canada to be safe from what just happened to us.

• Billionaires enable and encourage the Patriot Act which allows for the mass spying on all American citizens, and the death of the implied privacy clause in our constitution.
• Billionaires use this death of our privacy to harvest our meta data on social media and sell it.
• They sell it to our enemies like Russia, China, Iran who use it to launch disinformation campaigns targeting American social groups using their own meta data to determine the easiest way to radicalized them (Hillarys emails, Benghazi, George Floyd, Trans kids etc)
• Billionaires see how effective selling American privacy is at controlling us, so they do the same, and take over the GOP, US, and every major government institution like the FAA and FCC via Trump and project 2025.
• With control of the government and its groups in their hands instead of the peoples, they demand personal privacy for their own meta data, despite being the reason it was removed from the public and weaponized against us in the first place.

Oh, but dOn't sTaLk tHeM.

Just complacently watch them afford the freedom they took from everyone else.

Does anyone else find it fucking disgusting that liberals are now mad...

If "hate" is too strong word, then how would you describe your original use of "fucking disgusting?"

Is it somehow caring to be disgusted by someone's existence?

I said they're not saying it right now, which they aren't.

And YOU think they aren't saying anything right now because they're disgusting fucking liberals? Right? NOT because Trump would further prosecute them?

I have pointed out several times, they face a literal existential threat by saying anything now. Which means they have an unquestionably legitimate excuse to say nothing, that you are insisting isn't as valid as them just being fucking disgusting.

I've pointed out what over 50 liberals were saying BEFORE the Trump admin was persecuting them. And you're belief is those words aren't to be listened to because liberals are too fucking disgusting to be honest.

... for me not having negative feelings about liberals is? When they're no longer liberals.

Okay, so when is that?

Because unless you're willing to define what behavior MAKES them liberal, you are judging people instead of their behaviour. Which is racism /bigotry by its very definition.

Which is, comparatively, pretty easy to see you practicing in this conversation if we look at it through a different context:

If these were Jewish people, when would they be sufficiently not Jewish enough for you to not find them disgusting?

Because it's not when they don't talk like Jews. Its not like when they don't act like Jews. And its not when the Jews have no power to hurt you, and are being persecuted by another group.

They're all still Jews, I mean "Libs" to you. And that fucking disgusts you as you have made clear for days.

So would you agree that when a Lib talks, they will always sound too fucking "disgusting" to you too?

Or is there something they could say worth listening to? What would that be to you if it exists at all?

Funny how all of this is your own personal feelings about what the libs are saying. Instead of, you know, acknowledging in any way they are saying exactly what you told me I could never find them saying.

Does "never" have a different definition to you I should be familiar with?

It doesn't matter if YOU feel their words don't matter here. They were still said, and your hate for assuming they never were is no longer justified or warranted.

You hate them when they DON'T say something. I show you them saying it. Now you hate them when they DO say it.

No matter how you feel about their words, they were still said. Which means you can't hate them for NOT saying it like you did in your original comment.

You can only hate them for not saying it again, but this time, when the person they would need to say it to would be Trump. Who not only hates them, but is actively trying to persecute anyone who gives him criticsm.

You say it's apathy they're not talking about stopping drone strikes now, when it's pretty clearly the threat of political persecution.

So really it just boils down to this:

When, exactly, would be the right time to stop hating liberals?

What metric do you have in mind, that once libs reach, you would no longer hate them?

Nothing left to talk about except this. Because I doubt it's something you've ever considered.

Any chance I could get enough of your empathy to explain what part of my comment is "liberal apologia?"

Because you just shifted to attacking me as an "apologist" instead of attacking the evidence I provided that you are wrong about your assumption of modern liberals.

Comparatively, if you were Israeli, and this conversation was about the Palestinians, you'd be telling me how much of a Palestinian apologist I am for pointing out that there's some clear evidence that not all Palestinians are terrorists. I just provided some decent evidence to suggest that not all Libs are terrorists either.

Hate is addicting that way. Makes you assume the world is black and white when it's always been shades of gray.

If you can't admit it's even possible your hateful assumptions about Libs are now outdated when presented some clear and unbiased evidence they very well might be, then you are choosing to believe your hate over reason.

Here's another opportunity where you can choose to:

A) Have empathy and engage with the evidence I provided that your assumptions are wrong.

Or -

B) Have hate by dismissing me without evidence or good reason as you are now.

I guess we'll find out in your next response if you like the way hating on Libs makes you feel so much that you've never stopped to considered when a good time to stop hating them would be.

Because someone with the political knowledge you have could certainly be doing a lot more with their life.

You must have read what I wrote in order to know you don't care about it enough to say anything. Which no offense, if you also did the same during the last election, explains why you're so defensive. Because you can run away from my opinion, but you can't run away from the results of this election. No matter how much you complain about it.

If you'll notice, liberals—both rank and file and leaders—are not calling for an end to the actual mass murder...

Here's liberals, both rank and file, calling for an end to actual mass murder in 2022:

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/us-democrats-urge-biden-overhaul-drone-strike-lethal-force-policy

More than 40 House and Senate Democrats have urged US President Joe Biden to review and overhaul Washington's counterterrorism policy and its use of lethal force and drone strikes.

The letter, led by Senator Elizabeth Warren, comes a day after US Central Command (Centcom) released the first public footage of an 29 August drone strike in Afghanistan which killed 10 civilians.

When "there is little policy change or accountability for repeated mistakes this grave and this costly", they wrote, it sends a message that civilian deaths are "the inevitable consequence of modern conflict, rather than avoidable and damaging failures of policy".

The letter was also signed by ten other senators including Chris Murphy, Patrick Leahy and Richard Durbin, as well as 40 House members including Ro Khanna, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, Barbara Lee, and Pramila Jayapal.

Unfortunately, seeing as libs lost the recent election, there's no way of telling the outcome this kinda of pressure would bring. But based entirely on the momentum Bernie and AoC are gaining, the flavor of lib you hate the most is fading fast from the favor of the Democratic party.

Even now, there's fighting to change their leadership as the "New Lib" defense they're putting up is about as effective as a wet paper towel.

Here's a great article about the rise and fall of the "New Libs" that you hate (rightfully so, they suck), but it outlines they are indeed falling from grace at this very time:

https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2025/02/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-new-liberals-how-the-democrats-lost-their-majority/

Then, [Democrats] can learn from the [New Libs] most fundamental mistake: any new policy agenda must not only address structural challenges, but also be firmly rooted in a popular political base.

A popular base like their 50+ constituents calling to reform mass murder policies.

Unfortunately, Democrats currently have no power in any part of the US government. Trump is the only one in charge, and stopping him involves focusing on the part of his job he fucked up, particularly the Opsec.

That is something liberals DO have control over at this time. So it is what they are focusing on.

But if you look at what they were calling for when they were recently in power, it's very much what you have been asking them to call for.