Orang laddie beat up that banan boi for me!
ToastedPlanet
joined 2 years ago
Yep. I don’t understand this fetish for decorum.
With Obama I posit he had to overcome racism and Bill Clinton cheating on Hillary Clinton.
Quit running defense for a Party that was already staging Genocide before Joe was in charge:
I'm arguing for the most useful strategy during elections. Which you did by voting for Harris. Other people on here are still arguing against this.
No one has to like the Democrats. They're our most useful tool until some socialist or progressive co-opts the Democratic party. edit: typo
When Bernie can win States’ popular vote and lose it because of Party-appointed “super delegates” in 2016? That’s not fucking Democracy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries
Bernie lost the popular vote.
And Biden promised to be a 1-term president.
A promise he should have followed through on every step of the way.
Fuck you. Sincerely, and deeply.
The neoliberal you're shadow boxing lives in your head. edit: typo
🫶 10/10 Would reject kitty's application again. 🫶
Because a couple of generations have passed. It's wrong to displace the Palestinians. It's wrong to displace the Israelis. It's wrong to displace people. There is no more correct place for people to be living then where they are right now.
Israel must return to the 1967 borders.
Sure. Though we can’t quite know if even that’s true as she did not become president.
I'm not sure what you're referring to. We cannot look into an alternate timeline.
Former presidents do not have power over current presidents.
We can look at her public statements. And those compared to this make it clear Biden was definitely worse
https://jewishcurrents.org/joe-bidens-alarming-record-on-israel
At this crucial juncture, Biden undercut Obama again. After Clinton’s ultimatum, the vice president—who was still traveling in the Middle East—contacted Netanyahu himself. In their book Our Separate Ways: The Struggle for the Future of the U.S.-Israel Alliance, Dana Allin and Steve Simon describe Biden’s discussion with the Israeli prime minister as “a conciliatory call” that had the effect of “undercutting Clinton and reinforcing Israel’s generally dismissive approach to the administration’s periodically tough messaging.” An administration official remembers being “astonished” upon seeing the transcript of the conversation: “Biden completely undercut the secretary of state and gave Bibi a strong indication that whatever was being planned in Washington was hotheadedness and he could defuse it when he got back.” When Clinton saw the transcript, the official recalls, she “realized she’d been thrown under the bus.”
Biden's been derailing US foreign policy on the Israel since he was vp.
Was still pretty much the biggest self-sabotaging way of communicating that sentiment in the campaign.
Yes.
They are being misquoted. That was a Biden quote used to say that Harris had the same position Biden. Which is a lie.
Harris had distinct positions on Israel. Biden telling her to have the same positions doesn't mean she had the same positions.
Harris' refusal to break from Biden on the campaign trail and the DNC consultants sunk her campaign into the ground.
Harris would have plenty of room to break from Biden once he was out of the White House.
This is what I mean when I say Biden was a life long Zionist. He was actively sabotaging US foreign policy since he was VP.
https://jewishcurrents.org/joe-bidens-alarming-record-on-israel
At this crucial juncture, Biden undercut Obama again. After Clinton’s ultimatum, the vice president—who was still traveling in the Middle East—contacted Netanyahu himself. In their book Our Separate Ways: The Struggle for the Future of the U.S.-Israel Alliance, Dana Allin and Steve Simon describe Biden’s discussion with the Israeli prime minister as “a conciliatory call” that had the effect of “undercutting Clinton and reinforcing Israel’s generally dismissive approach to the administration’s periodically tough messaging.” An administration official remembers being “astonished” upon seeing the transcript of the conversation: “Biden completely undercut the secretary of state and gave Bibi a strong indication that whatever was being planned in Washington was hotheadedness and he could defuse it when he got back.” When Clinton saw the transcript, the official recalls, she “realized she’d been thrown under the bus.”
This is not the same as supporting a two-state solution.
What does any of this have to do with the Democrats being the correct choice in 2024 and being the correct choice in the next two elections if we have them?
There are still people advocating for not voting after it is now clear that was the wrong choice.
(Voted for her too, btw, I’m mad her rhetoric didn’t let me bring friends)
If that's not you then you shouldn't have a problem with this.
And if we don’t?
Then voting wont be an option.
We've had real primaries since 2008.
What does that have to with anything? Harris was never under any obligation to follow that instruction once she became president.
The people who fed these talking points to Americans were Russian bot farms. Harris is not a life long Zionist. Biden is.
Biden had single-handedly been undermining US foreign policy since he was vice president. He undercut the US position in a private call with Benjamin Netanyahu when the US was trying to leverage Israel into behaving. edit: typo
https://jewishcurrents.org/joe-bidens-alarming-record-on-israel
At this crucial juncture, Biden undercut Obama again. After Clinton’s ultimatum, the vice president—who was still traveling in the Middle East—contacted Netanyahu himself. In their book Our Separate Ways: The Struggle for the Future of the U.S.-Israel Alliance, Dana Allin and Steve Simon describe Biden’s discussion with the Israeli prime minister as “a conciliatory call” that had the effect of “undercutting Clinton and reinforcing Israel’s generally dismissive approach to the administration’s periodically tough messaging.” An administration official remembers being “astonished” upon seeing the transcript of the conversation: “Biden completely undercut the secretary of state and gave Bibi a strong indication that whatever was being planned in Washington was hotheadedness and he could defuse it when he got back.” When Clinton saw the transcript, the official recalls, she “realized she’d been thrown under the bus.”
Stop pretending you care about the Palestinians and working class people then.
You don't. You care about you. The least you can do is own it so people who do know not to imitate you.