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I Went a little crazy with degoogling.

In general

  • From Chrome to Brave/Waterfox
  • Gmail to ProtonMail

Tablet:

  • Chromebook Lenovo Chromebook Duet 3 to Postmarket OS

Mobile I already had my old Pixel Fold running GrapheneOS, now I also installed it on the Pixelf 10 pro. This one I will use the coming weeks. I heard of rumors that the battery drain is terrible but I will experience that for myself.

I have two phones which run Chinese roms

  • The Iqoo z11 Turbo - This is my daily driver
  • Vivo Fold X 3 - This one does not run any google services this resulted in a very nice nice battery experience.

I do not want to change anything else on these Chinese phones, but I'm wondering what impact Android 17 will have on the Chinese models?

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/46687168

AtomicMail.io has recently emerged as a significant player among "next-generation" email services, specifically targeting the privacy and security-conscious demographic. From the perspective of an email security specialist, let's analyze the platform's promises of "unlimited capacity" and "free service," alongside its corporate structure and technical foundation.

https://pdfhost.io/v/6VW4SA83NT_AtomicMail_io_Cybersecurity_and_Strategic_Analysis__2026_

  1. Corporate Profile and Background Origin: The service is operated by AtomicMail Systems OÜ, based in Estonia. Estonia is a jurisdiction renowned for robust digital rights and strict data protection laws (fully GDPR compliant).

Server Location: Physical data servers are located in Germany. This is a positive indicator, as Germany maintains some of the world's most stringent data privacy regulations. History: Unlike Gmail or Proton, which have decades of history, AtomicMail is a modern startup that gained significant popularity during the 2024–2025 period.

  1. Revenue Model: Why is it Free? While "free and unlimited" often serves as a red flag in tech, Atomic Mail utilizes the following model:

Freemium Model: Basic email features are free for everyone. However, "Plus" packages— including custom domain support, professional alias management, and priority support—are paid.

Prestige Alias Sales: The platform generates revenue by selling highly sought-after, short (1-4 character) email aliases through annual or three-year subscriptions.

No Data Harvesting: Unlike Gmail, the company declares that it does not scan user data or display ads; revenue is strictly derived from user subscriptions.

  1. Security and Infrastructure Features Zero-Access Architecture: Your messages are stored encrypted. Not even company employees can read the content without your password.

Crypto-Style Recovery: During account creation, you are provided with a Seed Phrase (recovery words). If you forget your password, this is your only way back in. The company cannot reset your password; this is a massive security asset, but a total risk for those who lose their phrase.

Advanced Encryption: They employ OpenPGP (4096-bit) and their proprietary Atomic Encryption (ECIES) systems.

Anonymity: No phone numbers or personal information are required during registration.

  1. Current User Sentiment (2026 Update) Pros (Positive) Cons (Negative) Unlimited Capacity: No more worrying about Gmail’s 15GB limit.

UI Deficiencies: Some users still complain about the lack of basic features like "Dark Mode." Privacy: The ability to sign up without a phone number is a major draw for anonymity seekers.

Deliverability: As it is a newer domain, there are rare reports of emails occasionally landing in recipients' spam folders.

Alias Support: Being able to create 10 free aliases on a single account is excellent for shielding your primary address.

Mobile App: While rated well (4.3+), some features like text selection/highlighting are limited compared to the web version.

  1. Technical Verdict and Strategic Advice Atomic Mail is a formidable alternative for those tired of Gmail’s surveillance-based model and storage fees.Critical Warning: You must physically write down the Seed Phrase provided during registration. If you lose it and forget your password, even a skilled hacker could not recover your emails; by design,the system allows no external intervention.

While it appears to be a "safe harbor" for privacy, I recommend using it for non-critical testing for a few weeks before making it your primary address.

AtomicMail.io and the Thunderbird/POP3/IMAP Relationship

  1. Current Status: Currently Inaccessible: As of May 2026, AtomicMail.io does not support standard POP3, IMAP, or SMTP protocols.

Why? Because of the "Zero-Access" end-to-end encryption, emails remain encrypted on the server. Standard clients like Thunderbird cannot natively decrypt this specific encryption type.

Solution: Currently, access is limited to their proprietary Web interface and native Mobile/ Desktop apps.

  1. Future Roadmap: The "Encryption Bridge": A "Bridge" application is being developed for third-party apps like Thunderbird and Outlook.

Mechanism: Much like the Proton Mail Bridge, you will install a small software on your PC that decrypts emails in the background and presents them to Thunderbird as a local IMAP/ POP3 connection.

Will it be free? This remains unclear. Usually, these bridge tools are part of paid (Plus) packages. However, AtomicMail's aggressive "everything free" policy might change this.

  1. Thunderbird Users: If Thunderbird integration is a "must-have" right now, AtomicMail may not be your first choice. For manual archiving, you can still export emails manually from the web interface. Direct synchronization is not yet active.

Email Forwarding Analysis Based on detailed research, the forwarding feature at AtomicMail.io differs from standard services.

  1. Automatic Forwarding: The free plan currently does not offer automatic forwarding to other addresses (like Gmail or Outlook).

Technical Obstacle: Gaining access to an email to forward it would break the "Zero- Access" promise, as the email would have to be decrypted to be sent to an unencrypted service.

  1. Aliases vs. Forwarding: AtomicMail provides 10 free aliases. These are 10 different addresses that all land in your single primary inbox. This feature is entirely free.

  2. Alternative: Password Protected Messages: If you want to send a secure message, you can send password-protected emails for free. The recipient gets a link and reads the mail via a portal using the password you set.

Complete Technology and Risk Analysis

  1. The Metadata Reality

Content: Fully encrypted.

Metadata: Who you talk to, when, and the Subject line may technically be visible to the server. AtomicMail claims to keep this to a minimum, but subject lines are usually not encrypted so they can be listed. Tip: Do not put sensitive info in the subject line.

  1. Is "Unlimited" Sustainable? Technical Trick (Deduplication): If a 100MB PDF is sent to 1,000 people, the system stores one copy but shows it to everyone. This slashes storage costs.

Economics: They are currently in a growth phase. "Unlimited" is often a marketing tactic. A "Fair Use Policy" (e.g., speed throttling after 500GB) is likely in the future.3. IP Reputation and "Spam" Risk

Risk: Anonymous and free services attract spammers. If AtomicMail's IP addresses are blacklisted, your emails might land in the spam folder of other users. Currently, their reputation is moderate.

  1. Legal Shield: The Estonia Factor Estonia is a world leader in digital bureaucracy. If a foreign authority wants to inspect your emails,they must obtain a court order from Estonia—a notoriously difficult and lengthy process.

  2. User Experience Details File Size: Individual email attachments are likely limited to 25MB or 50MB. Search Function: Because content is encrypted, the server cannot search your emails. Searching only works for emails already indexed on your local device.

Final Recommendation: Professional Setup Strategy Primary Email Transition: Initially, test it for 3–6 months with newsletters and forums. Seed Phrase Discipline: Never store your recovery words in a digital notepad. Write it on paper and keep it in a secure physical location.

Own Your Domain: Connect your own domain for professional use. 2FA: Always use an Authenticator app.

Final Verdict: AtomicMail.io is a "rising star" for 2026. It is a digital fortress for private communication, but one should always maintain a backup plan.

Deep Technical Analysis: "Atomic Encryption"

AtomicMail's "Atomic Encryption" is based on the ECIES (Elliptic Curve Integrated Encryption Scheme).

Zero-Knowledge Proof: Your password never reaches the server. Instead, an SRP (Secure Remote Password) key is used. Even if the servers are breached, your password remains safe.

Financial Sustainability: The Cost of "Unlimited"

Venture Capital: AtomicMail is likely burning through investment capital to acquire users. Expect an "archive quota" by 2027-2028.

Low Operational Cost: By utilizing efficient data centers in Germany, they maintain low overheads.

Comparison: Infomaniak vs. AtomicMail.io (2026)

Feature Infomaniak (Swiss Powerhouse) AtomicMail.io (Security Fortress) History Since 1994 (30+ years) vs Since 2024 (Modern Startup)

Location Switzerland (Geneva) vs Estonia / Germany Focus Complete Cloud Ecosystem Pure Anonymity & E2EE

Registration Requires Phone Number No Phone / Fully Anonymous Recovery SMS/Support Possible Only via Seed Phrase

Storage 20 GB (Fixed) Unlimited (Campaign)

Which should you choose?

Choose Infomaniak if: You want Swiss reliability and don't mind providing a phone number.

Choose AtomicMail.io if: You want absolute anonymity and 100% encryption.

Backup and Account LimitsAccount Limits: Infomaniak usually limits users to one free account per phone number.

AtomicMail has no physical link to your identity, allowing multiple accounts, though anti-abuse AI monitors bulk creations.

Backup Strategy (3-2-1 Rule):

  1. 3 Copies: One on the server, one on your PC, one on an external drive.
  2. 2 Formats: Keep emails in the inbox and export important ones as .eml or PDF files.
  3. 1 Remote Backup: Keep one physical copy in a different location.

Summary: Infomaniak is like a high-security bank vault; AtomicMail is like an encrypted black box in an underground bunker.

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submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by BonkTheAnnoyed@piefed.blahaj.zone to c/degoogle
 
 

Jotta Cloud would be great except it's trying to do too much and requires a proprietary client, even on the CLI

I just want a dumb drive that I can scp a big old xz of my backups, in a country that has decent privacy laws, that doesn't cost a fortune

halp?

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submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by schwim@piefed.zip to c/degoogle
 
 

Hi there everyone,

I've been paring away the hooks that Google's got in me and although I feel I'm about at a level that I am comfortable with, Youtube remains a large part of my idle life(of which there's sometimes a lot). No matter what I'm doing on the second screen, I've got my subscription list running basically full time. It's pretty much my only viewing outet as I don't consume any other visual media.

My use case is casual viewing. I don't create any content, my interests are super-varied and none of it involves politics, news or the like. It's more along the lines of guitars, drums, covers, automotive, classics, drag racing, antique rehabbing, miniature and diarama building, DIY, traveling, geoguessing, exploration, retro computing, including building, weird things like offroad towing, lawn care transformations, etc. It's all over the place.

I'm posting this on Lemmy instead of Reddit or similar so I'm well aware of the trade-off to be made when choosing niche platforms. I know I'll get a ton less in quantity of answers but I trade that for the quality of the answers. I'm not expecting a direct replacement that gives me everything I would like. I'm just hoping to find something that I can use if I choose to whittle down my usage on the media format.

The problem is that I can't find a single platform that comes even remotely close to matching the usage of Youtube. 3rd party frontends are a completely lost cause as Google constantly breaks them intentionally. Peertube, the most suggested and my first-tried was comically unsuited to a viewer of content. The two platforms I tried to register to (so I could build sub lists, get recommendations, etc) refused my registration because they don't allow "casual viewers" to register. I'm posting this on the Fediverse so I'm well aware of the additional hoops required to participate but peertube takes it to a whole new level of lack of intuitiveness. It feels like it's actively designed to dissuade people from participating.

I tried Odysee but that's just terrible. The front page that greeted me is even worse ragebait, extremism, clickbait, reaction and low effort videos. I did some searching for some of my interests and guitar cover for a band I like, for instance had a most recent video of 3 years ago offered. Rumble's front page is a steaming pile of shit on a white background and not a single video was of interest to me so I know better than to waste my time trying to fit my square ass into a round hole.

I am not having any luck with this search, if anyone has any suggestions, I'd be greatly interested to hear them.

Thanks for your time!

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submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works to c/degoogle
 
 

Hey y'all! So we are changing phone providers and they are forcing us into getting a new phone. I have an s23 which I hate anyway, and can get a pixel 9 or 10 now. I want the 9 since it seems better for me.

My question is, should I install graphene on it right away? I don't wanna have to reset it again down the road. And I don't care about warranties, if it dies I can afford another one.

Graphene seems to support the 9 and 10 from what I'm seeing

Edit Did some reading , it appears the at&t pixel 9 does have an unlocked boot loader ? Is it true ??

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I am attempting to transfer all of my data from my Google Drive to my local NAS. If I copy all of the files from drive, does that get everything from Google Photos?

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There are dozens of options across all platforms to seamlessly integrate PGP email signing and encryption.

I use Gnome's key manager with evolution and it's ridiculously simple...

It's been like 30 years -- what's holding us all back?

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(crossposted from !exclusive_public_resources)

Musk’s changes to Twitter:

  • must register as a member to get read access to content
  • members no longer see a non-biased chronological linear timeline; an opaque algorithm decides what to prioritise on the timelines, subject to Elon’s hard-right manipulation

It’s perhaps fair enough that boot-licking pawns decide to subject themselves to quasi-brainwashing manipulation. But when GOVERNMENTS use Twitter, people with a legitimate interest in gov communication are forced to register on an exclusive walled garden where they will come under influence of the extreme right (and thus climate denial among other garbage; hence the crosspost to !climate_action_individual).

How to fix this using open data laws:

Public content published on Twitter legally must be openly accessible to all people. Perhaps not by default but certainly by request. This means individuals can submit an open data request to gov agencies who use Twitter, requesting a copy of all content they publish on Twitter. The gov legally must satisfy the request. All tweets must be in an open machine-readable format (csv, json, or xml).

The dataset is “dynamic”, so I believe future updates must be added to the open data. But what I’ve seen in practice is the gov is not diligent about pushing the updates. They may need to be nagged. If they are nagged enough, perhaps they will decide Twitter is not worth it.

BTW, all of this applies to Facebook as well, noting that Cambridge Analytica is why Trump took power in 2016.

Why this is in degoogle

European govs are using Youtube and thus force people into that access restricted walled garden. You need not register but you can only get access if you reveal your IP address to Google by not using Tor.

The same strategy of open data requests can perhaps be adapted to Google. Request that the gov agency put their videos in peertube or their own website.

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/38001927

In this post, I hope to clarify and expand on some of the points and rebut some of the counter-messaging that we have witnessed.

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submitted 8 months ago by tfm@piefed.europe.pub to c/degoogle
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Recently Google decided that in the future for an app to be installable on an Android device, the developer of this app needs to be ID'd and registered at Google. They claim this is in order to "to better protect users". However, I think, this is a move to get more control over the Android ecosystem, and the data they can collect with it. If anyone who wants to develop an app for Android devices has to be registered with Google, this puts all the power of who to allow distributing an app to Google.

Furthermore F-Droid shows, that safe app stores can exist without registration, neither of users nor of developers. There is zero malware or spyware on the F-Droid store. What there is on F-Droid is thousands of beautiful, useful and, most importantly, safe apps. And this entire ecosystem is at risk, because Google wants to gain more control over its users and over the Android operating system.

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For those that don't know, GrayJay allows consuming media from many platforms, all in one app. Peertube, Odysee (lbry), twitch, kick, removedute, nebula, soundcloud, and more! You can also sync your playlists, watch list, subscriptions, and so on across devices.

I've discovered interesting creators across multiple platforms (peertube, odysee, billibi, dailymotion, ...) and have reached the point now where I can just switch of the youtube source and just consume media from all other sources. Billibi (Chinese youtube) for example has accounts that just sync/copy/rip entire channels from youtube and there are some creators that sync their channels onto peertube, odysee, or elsewhere. With Grayjay, it doesn't matter where anymore since it can probably access it.

What I enjoy a lot is not worrying about youtube updating and breaking the plugin because I just don't consume it anymore. You can give it a shot too.

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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by cabbage@piefed.social to c/degoogle
 
 

Long story short: Everyone should consider downloading NeoStumbler on their phones and help collect degoogled geolocation data from the places they travel to.

Degoogled geolocation data?!

A big problem with degoogling is positioning services. Whenever your device doesn't have a GPS signal but wants to know your position, it collects information about the wifi, cellular, and bluetooth networks around you. It then looks this up against a database of networks and their location, and returns to you your approximate position.

This has traditionally been crowd-sourced by Google for a closed database for them to use and abuse. Mozilla created and abandoned their own service a while back, as they tend to do. Their data was not anonymous enough for it to live on in open source, and for a while there was no real open source option out there. All location services would pretty much depend on Google. Thankfully, this is not the case any more.

Enter beaconDB!

A proper open source alternative has finally emerged in the form of beacondb (@beacondb@mapstodon.space), which currently contains location data for more than 75 million wifi networks and almost 4 million cellular towers, most of which in Europe and the US. This database allows degoogled devices to find their location in the world without relying on a Google service. It is still in its early days, but some open systems already use it by default.

How can you help?

Contributing to beaconDB is incredibly easy. The tl;dr on top of this post summarizes it, but here's a more detailed overview:

  1. Install the open source app NeoStumbler
  2. Open the app and set it up. It's a good idea to take a look at the settings. I have enabled movement detection (helps save battery on most devices) and passive data collection. I also enabled an option to send reports with less metadata, further increasing privacy.
  3. Press "play" in the app. You can also add a "wireless scanning" button to the sliding drawer menu in Android to make this option more accessible. I generally keep scanning on at all times as I don't find it to drain the battery much, but of course it's mostly useful when moving around in new areas.
  4. Walk around, live your life.

And, of course: Let people know about it! Contributions from people outside of Europe and the US would be particularly welcome, but it's the early stages of the project and contributions are needed everywhere. Also feel free to cross-post (or boost!) this to anywhere you'd see fit.

Since the end of June I have collected information about more than 150 000 wifi networks and more than 10 000 cellular networks. It's fun to keep track of how many new networks I've passed by at the end of the day.

Please join in! :)

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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by Novocirab@feddit.org to c/degoogle
 
 

As a result of this discussion in !degoogle@lemmy.ml, there is now an IRC channel about degoogling!

/join ##degoogle on irc.libera.chat:6697 (TLS). The channel name begins with a double hashtag (according to the namespace policy).

Come on down and join us through your local IRC client or the web client web.libera.chat!

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submitted 10 months ago by Una to c/degoogle
 
 

Privacy pack

I use tuta mail and tuta calendar for mail and calendar, Vivaldi as browser on laptop, and Firefox on android. Bitwarden as password manager and bitwarden auth as 2fa. Use obsidian for notes and appstore is aurora store and droidify, I use archlinux. And for "cloud" storage, actually a backup I use This USB drive not cloud Buf works for me. Still kinda dependent on proprietary messaging platforms, but I have 1 friend on signal. Also I am trying to replace YouTube with fmhy.net not exactly YouTube alternative, but has so many resources for free to study, educate myself, or just watch something out of amusement.

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cross-posted from: https://lemmybefree.net/post/1243814

Hi! I'm looking for a privacy respecting Android tablet.

I ruled out the google tablet due to it being too expensive with an LCD screen

I would prefer a nice OLED screen if possible (or similar), and preferably cheap. Must be able to stream HEVC encoded videos (not 10 years old hardware), and preferably more (VP9, AV1, for future proofing)

The main use will be to watch content (movies, series, videos) from YouTube and Jellyfin, and sometimes some other apps if they're not enforcing the Play Integrity API

So far I've searched some OS and I'm considering LineageOS or /e/OS, with /e/OS looking better in terms of privacy. Don't want google to track everywhere I go and everything I do.

Any recommendations for good cheap hardware with bootloader unlocking, and recommendations for a good Android ROM?

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/32207681

Your guide to a new File Storage service! (NEW)

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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Novocirab@feddit.org to c/degoogle
 
 

FreeTube is an open-source standalone YouTube client that gives you control over what to see and what not to see on YouTube. Among my my favourite features are:

  • No Ads
  • Checkboxes to eliminate common distractions, e.g. Shorts, Trends, Live chat, Recommendations, Comments
  • Word filters and channel filters
  • Integrated SponsorBlock and DeArrow
  • History and subscriptions are saved locally, away from Google's prying eyes
  • Easy download of videos, e.g. for securing videos or re-uploading them to a PeerTube instance (of course, only if it's legal in your jurisdiction)

If you're a parent, know that FreeTube also has several child safety features.

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/31955478

Google’s Gemini team is apparently sending out emails about an upcoming change to how Gemini interacts with apps on Android devices. The email informs users that, come July 7, 2025, Gemini will be able to “help you use Phone, Messages, WhatsApp, and Utilities on your phone, whether your Gemini Apps Activity is on or off.” Naturally, this has raised some privacy concerns among those who’ve received the email and those using the AI assistant on their Android devices.

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