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Zelenskyy Says Ukraine Is Done Holding Back on Russian Oil Refineries (united24media.com)
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[–] 2 points 2 days ago (8 children)

It's unlikely either will, nuclear systems in North countries retaliate on launch to predetermined locations. We're aimed at each other and either doing anything means massive retaliation because you cannot tell destination until terminal phase and depending on what weapons system it is even terminal can be skewed by large amounts.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 days ago (5 children)

    "on launch" is for specific ICBM systems we know have nuclear warheads in them and monitor by satelite. That is not what would be used here. Automated systems cannot tell the difference between a bomber carrying a nuke and one carrying a conventional warhead. They cannot tell the difference between a normal ballistic missile and one carrying a small nuke. Until it goes off and people notice. There is no automated counter launch for that scenario as we would not even know its a nuke until it goes off. And if it already went off we clearly know where it was going. Iran, Ukraine, Russia, and the US launch missles at eachother constantly. All they need to do is stick a nuke in one of them.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago (4 children)

    If it already went off regardless of where there's zero reason not to retaliate and the policy is specifically not to wait.

    Hell announced nuclear tests have came very very close to starting a nuclear Holocaust.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    You seriously believe that the US is going to risk New York and DC over Kiev? If Russia wiped Kiev off the map then NATO would be puffing up its chest and throwing a fit sure, but they're not gonna nuke Russia over it because then they'd get nuked.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago (2 children)

    I thiink the system is antiquated and the people in charge of it conventional and obstinate. Listen to the behind the bastards on it.

    You discount other nuclear nations that would be well within the fallout as well.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago (1 child)

    The logic is the same for other nuclear nations. What exactly would nuking Russia help if it gets the nuked too? I firmly believe we will enter a period where anyone that doesn't have a nuke is fair game to be nuked, but nuclear powers are untouchable.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago (1 child)

    That's only for ICBMs. Nukes could be delivered by plane or cruise missile that don't have the uncertainty related to destination. They would most likely be indistinguishable from a conventional warhead until they detonate.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago

    The problem is the detonation there are sniffers and imagers all over Europe that look for specific radiation and a double pulse. Some theories include a suspicion that those systems start the retaliation timer if they aren't stopped it goes automatically and can't be stopped once it starts.

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