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PlayStation founder Ken Kutaragi says discs became "metaphor for 'owning' games", and that upset at their discontinuation is a "mentality issue" (www.eurogamer.net)
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[+] -18 points 15 hours ago* (10 children)

Gamers really need to learn about IP law. Y'all never owned anything. A CD was just a transferrable license. Buying games from steam is a non-transferrable license. Sucks, but that's what you get when you have IP laws as pervasive in the US. Gamers need to move on to the acceptance stage that you will never own your software.

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  • [–] 12 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

    Yes what we want is transferable licenses, that's what we are losing and or lost with digital storefronts. We want to own the license. We want a physical, tangible thing

    Technically yes, in the legalese context the term people should be using is 'license', but for most people that's what the game is, it's always been that, but that's not the term people use. "owning the game" is the exact same thing as the legal term "owning a transferable license".

    What we want is that tangible transferable license, aka owning the game. We don't want the source code, or the IP. We just want to be able to own the game that lets us trade, borrow/lend, sell, or buy 'used' games.

    But boiling it down to just "license" allows for that terms of the license to be changed because corporations have been given the power to change the terms of every license ever to fit their own whims without the real consent of both parties. We've seen that shit already with digital license games. Sony can just up and remove the game from your account without consulting you or even informing you the second party of the license. They don't have to give you a reason, they can just up and change the agreement without you needing to agree to the changes. And even if they do ask you to agree to the changes, they only present you with 2 choices: agree or lose access. That's bullshit.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 hours ago

    Sony won't do it, and no one did anything when they stopped making music CDs. It's unfortunately just a pipe dream to think gamers get to force sony to print blurays but music enjoyers can't force them to make CDs or those live DVDs.

    Hey, maybe I'm wrong, but capitalism doesn't usually go against the giant IP holders in America.

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  • [–] 13 points 15 hours ago (1 child)

    Saying we own the disc never meant that we owned the right to the game. Just that we owned the disc and could therefore play whenever we want.

    I do not understand why it is so difficult to understand that our money means something to us, and the word "buy" did indeed mean a binding contract between two parties.

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  • [–] -1 points 11 hours ago*

    Sony, the company that sold music as licensed on discs, you think believes games aren't things that can be licensed on a disc? Welcome to reality kid. It's called capitalism and unless gamers gain class consciousness nothing will change.

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  • [–] 1 point 15 hours ago (2 children)

    I sympathize for those who think that Sony is breaking the law, but I also sympathize with those who regard the situation as broken, and demand the law be changed.

    I do kind of get the reasoning behind digital licenses being non-transferable. But overall, with people’s libraries getting deleted as a consequence, altogether too much control is on the license holder’s side.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 hours ago*

    I hate the current state of affairs but unfortunately I understand them. No one owns jack shit when it comes to IP media that isn't general merchandise. CDs, DVDs, BluRays, digital licenses — all the same thing to Sony.

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