▲ 217 ▼ It can still get worse: Double-digit price increase expected for RAM in the New Year (www.pcgamer.com) submitted 2 days ago by inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world to c/pcgaming@lemmy.ca 65 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Damage@feddit.it 49 points 2 days ago (15 children) So when is the free market gonna correct this? permalink fedilink source hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 62 points 2 days ago Turns out the invisible hand of the market isn't so much a hand as a single outstretched middle finger. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Malica@lemmy.zip 34 points 2 days ago (1 child) Where's this free market you speak of? All I see is corruption and corporate welfare. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago RAM isn't a free market; it's a cartel. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gashead76@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago When the AI black hole inverts. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TahVann@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago ~2-3 years when the new fabs come online, assuming we're not still spamming new DCs. If we keep spamming new DCs for the next 3 years, then longer. permalink fedilink source parent [–] aksdb@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (5 children) This is text book market mechanics. Demand rises and so do the prices. As a consequence the demand is somewhat dampened and therefore the market can slowly (!) heal. Due to the shit ton of money that is and can be made, new actors are incentivized to enter the market and existing actors are incentivized to increase their capacity (so no one else jumps in and grabs parts of it). Now the question is: is it a good sign if such a big number of buyers are willing to throw such an excessive amount of money at you? Probably not, so you might bet on this not playing out in the long run. And the following crash will be hard, because then all the components from the closed data centers would hit the market at the same time with all your backorders going poof. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago* (4 children) There still is not a path for data center components to be used in your gaming rig. They are not compatible and you can't really adapt something like RAM I would wager. You'd have to tear off the chips and make new boards. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Damage@feddit.it 2 points 1 day ago (2 children) If a crash dumps hardware on the market, I bet someone will find a way to make use of it. But I don't think it will devalue, local models work and are useful, so if most datacenters closed tomorrow, I bet they'd be able to sell that hardware at decent prices to all sorts of companies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bilb@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 day ago (1 child) I think if that happens, much stock will be intentionally destroyed before anything like that can happen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 hours ago What motivation do people in the DC and AI sector have to fuck with consumer prices? It's not like NVidia still owns that silicon or something. permalink fedilink source parent [–] boonhet@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago* It's also HBM not DDR or even GDDR in those GPUs. Good luck finding a consumer board that takes those. The used GPGPU (is that still a term?) server market will have a metric fucktonne of supply I suspect. Nvidia is already bracing for this. They did a bunch of stock buyback instead of investing that money in anything that could lead to more future sales. 150 billion dollars I believe. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago Eric Andre as "The Free Market" shoots consumer RAM production; "Why would Samsung do this?" permalink fedilink source parent [–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world [S] 5 points 2 days ago Never, you know how this games goes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jqubed@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago When the AI bubble bursts, or the various electronics suppliers and their suppliers get more factories/capacity online in 2028 permalink fedilink source parent [+] halfapage@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 62 points 2 days ago Turns out the invisible hand of the market isn't so much a hand as a single outstretched middle finger. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Malica@lemmy.zip 34 points 2 days ago (1 child) Where's this free market you speak of? All I see is corruption and corporate welfare. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago RAM isn't a free market; it's a cartel. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago RAM isn't a free market; it's a cartel. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gashead76@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago When the AI black hole inverts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TahVann@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago ~2-3 years when the new fabs come online, assuming we're not still spamming new DCs. If we keep spamming new DCs for the next 3 years, then longer. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aksdb@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (5 children) This is text book market mechanics. Demand rises and so do the prices. As a consequence the demand is somewhat dampened and therefore the market can slowly (!) heal. Due to the shit ton of money that is and can be made, new actors are incentivized to enter the market and existing actors are incentivized to increase their capacity (so no one else jumps in and grabs parts of it). Now the question is: is it a good sign if such a big number of buyers are willing to throw such an excessive amount of money at you? Probably not, so you might bet on this not playing out in the long run. And the following crash will be hard, because then all the components from the closed data centers would hit the market at the same time with all your backorders going poof. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago* (4 children) There still is not a path for data center components to be used in your gaming rig. They are not compatible and you can't really adapt something like RAM I would wager. You'd have to tear off the chips and make new boards. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Damage@feddit.it 2 points 1 day ago (2 children) If a crash dumps hardware on the market, I bet someone will find a way to make use of it. But I don't think it will devalue, local models work and are useful, so if most datacenters closed tomorrow, I bet they'd be able to sell that hardware at decent prices to all sorts of companies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bilb@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 day ago (1 child) I think if that happens, much stock will be intentionally destroyed before anything like that can happen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 hours ago What motivation do people in the DC and AI sector have to fuck with consumer prices? It's not like NVidia still owns that silicon or something. permalink fedilink source parent [–] boonhet@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago* It's also HBM not DDR or even GDDR in those GPUs. Good luck finding a consumer board that takes those. The used GPGPU (is that still a term?) server market will have a metric fucktonne of supply I suspect. Nvidia is already bracing for this. They did a bunch of stock buyback instead of investing that money in anything that could lead to more future sales. 150 billion dollars I believe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago* (4 children) There still is not a path for data center components to be used in your gaming rig. They are not compatible and you can't really adapt something like RAM I would wager. You'd have to tear off the chips and make new boards. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Damage@feddit.it 2 points 1 day ago (2 children) If a crash dumps hardware on the market, I bet someone will find a way to make use of it. But I don't think it will devalue, local models work and are useful, so if most datacenters closed tomorrow, I bet they'd be able to sell that hardware at decent prices to all sorts of companies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bilb@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 day ago (1 child) I think if that happens, much stock will be intentionally destroyed before anything like that can happen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 hours ago What motivation do people in the DC and AI sector have to fuck with consumer prices? It's not like NVidia still owns that silicon or something. permalink fedilink source parent [–] boonhet@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago* It's also HBM not DDR or even GDDR in those GPUs. Good luck finding a consumer board that takes those. The used GPGPU (is that still a term?) server market will have a metric fucktonne of supply I suspect. Nvidia is already bracing for this. They did a bunch of stock buyback instead of investing that money in anything that could lead to more future sales. 150 billion dollars I believe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Damage@feddit.it 2 points 1 day ago (2 children) If a crash dumps hardware on the market, I bet someone will find a way to make use of it. But I don't think it will devalue, local models work and are useful, so if most datacenters closed tomorrow, I bet they'd be able to sell that hardware at decent prices to all sorts of companies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bilb@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 day ago (1 child) I think if that happens, much stock will be intentionally destroyed before anything like that can happen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 hours ago What motivation do people in the DC and AI sector have to fuck with consumer prices? It's not like NVidia still owns that silicon or something. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bilb@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 day ago (1 child) I think if that happens, much stock will be intentionally destroyed before anything like that can happen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 hours ago What motivation do people in the DC and AI sector have to fuck with consumer prices? It's not like NVidia still owns that silicon or something. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 point 4 hours ago What motivation do people in the DC and AI sector have to fuck with consumer prices? It's not like NVidia still owns that silicon or something. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] boonhet@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago* It's also HBM not DDR or even GDDR in those GPUs. Good luck finding a consumer board that takes those. The used GPGPU (is that still a term?) server market will have a metric fucktonne of supply I suspect. Nvidia is already bracing for this. They did a bunch of stock buyback instead of investing that money in anything that could lead to more future sales. 150 billion dollars I believe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago Eric Andre as "The Free Market" shoots consumer RAM production; "Why would Samsung do this?" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world [S] 5 points 2 days ago Never, you know how this games goes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jqubed@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago When the AI bubble bursts, or the various electronics suppliers and their suppliers get more factories/capacity online in 2028 permalink fedilink source parent