▲ 1031 ▼ Cybersecurity bounty hunter says Samsung TVs use AI to record audio and screenshots for ads — 'Finally found a company that truly listens to its customers,' says hacker (www.tomshardware.com) submitted 5 days ago by schizoidman@lemmy.zip to c/technology@lemmy.world 152 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] YetAnotherNerd@sopuli.xyz 16 points 5 days ago (23 children) Examples/HOWTO? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (22 children) Just open up any coding agent you like, locally hosted or otherwise, give it network permissions and the model number, and let it cook. These TV's are basically unsecured. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] YetAnotherNerd@sopuli.xyz 13 points 5 days ago (21 children) Assume I’m a newb. What kind of prompt would you give it? “ I have model x. Please find it and fix the apps on it to not record my information”? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago (20 children) My conversation literally started like: I have a local Samsung TV that is a good TV, but the Samsung software is absolute shit and I hate it. I dont want ads. I don't want their shit software. And I want to poison any telemetry streams they might be using to spy. I recently watched a gamers nexus video on hacking TV's. Can you look on my network and find the TV. and then do a research project to look into what it would take to de-shittify this TV? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (6 children) software. And I want to poison any telemetry streams they might be using to spy. I recently watched a gamers nexus video on hacking TV's. Can you look on my network and find the TV. and then do a research project to look into what it would take to de-shittify this TV? So, "local" would require a pretty powerful machine here and "cloud" might eventually stop being an option because they don't want you to do such things using their cloud models. Other than that, you are starting to attain that tone of a person who thinks they are starting to understand something in depth, like a Linux convert that has learned that one can write shell scripts. Don't. You've used a glorified combination of Google and StackOverflow copypaste and it worked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (2 children) I litterally had the TV unplugged and sitting a basically a brick because it their software was such shit. Worse that could happen was that it stayed bricked. I didn't "do" anything other than express what I wanted it to do, punch in the code it told me to to give it developer access to the TV, and then finish watching Gamers nexus. Like I genuinely don't care what you think about this. I bought the 120 gb strix halo machine specifically for hosting local LLMs. You have strong opinions. That's fine. But they are your opinions. Not mine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago (1 child) OK, sorry, got emotional and wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago Bruh its actually super fun if you have any networked/ IOT devices. You can just take control, like you own them (because you do). permalink fedilink source parent [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 3 points 4 days ago (2 children) What even is this comment? Someone asked how, person above simply replied how it started, and now you attack him because..? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 child) Got excited and wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 point 4 days ago* What do you mean wrong? Hacking home gadgets and smart devices is literally trending right now. Editing smart TVs is actually pretty meh, I've seen people edit firmware of common gadgets and smart devices to do whatever you want. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ai-coding-hack-smart-tvs-9.7392179 Using AI to remove power from the corporations is one right use case of it. EDIT: I might have misinterpreted you permalink fedilink source parent [+] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip -11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (12 children) Your prompt* One can’t converse with a non-entity Edit: downvote me all you want, your computer and chatbot are inanimate, they don’t think, you cannot converse with them, and they do not “know”. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] ChaosMonkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 days ago (1 child) Well, if you're being pedantic: prompt doesn't seem to fit as it refers to the "user" turn, and not the thread resulting of the back and forth communication between the "user" and "assistant". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip -5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) User “turn”? The computer doesn’t have a “turn”, it computes and generates output, you then read the output. Any anthropomorphic way of imagining this is necessarily incorrect. It is dumb-human emulation software. It is explicitly designed to portray an illusion of human interaction. Prompt is the generally accepted terminology in the relevant professional field permalink fedilink source parent [+] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world -7 points 5 days ago (9 children) Language policing is very Woke 1.0 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 days ago (8 children) I’m not policing I’m trying to help you not look like one of those dumbasses who thinks their computer is sentient permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world -4 points 5 days ago (7 children) No you are. That's what that is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 days ago (6 children) I’m trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here but you’re not making it easy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (5 children) You can't persuade those people, before these bots they were picking a random Facebook post over a person they know, because they didn't want to be taking advice from that person, but random posts (except God forbid Wikipedia, because they say it can be unreliable ; that can't happen to a random Facebook post you agree with, that's the real shit), and now these bots conveniently give them answers they are looking for, confirmed by high authority of some faceless company (anything is better than the authority of a person you meet who's more knowledgeable), for every kind of situation. And yes, they are trying to hide it thinking that's smart and they are avoiding conflicts with inadequate people who can't be reasoned with on all the important topics, that a text generator will seamlessly evolve into a race of robots helping them, that communist theocracy is the best system of government, that there's a world government controlling us via vaccines and all such very nuanced and perceptive takes. Hence the "language policing" complaint, that person is trying to weasel themselves out of answering that yes, they think their computer is sentient, without arguments. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 days ago That was also how I read their response, lmao They do think that their computer can think and converse, but they know that that position is untenable when examined beyond the scope of their emotional reasoning. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (3 children) The desire to control how others use language is a reactionary tendency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago (2 children) Well, OK, but you haven't answered whether you believe into the "spontaneous evolution of intelligence in a text approximator" thing. I understand if that's because of some stubbornness and desire for correctness of the conversation, but people believing in that are a problem not less than antivaxxers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 days ago I think his response meets the threshold of tacit admission permalink fedilink source parent [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) Your right. I haven't accepted your contrived framing that you are using to exploit the human tendencies of groupthink and group shame to change my language. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (22 children) Just open up any coding agent you like, locally hosted or otherwise, give it network permissions and the model number, and let it cook. These TV's are basically unsecured. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] YetAnotherNerd@sopuli.xyz 13 points 5 days ago (21 children) Assume I’m a newb. What kind of prompt would you give it? “ I have model x. Please find it and fix the apps on it to not record my information”? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago (20 children) My conversation literally started like: I have a local Samsung TV that is a good TV, but the Samsung software is absolute shit and I hate it. I dont want ads. I don't want their shit software. And I want to poison any telemetry streams they might be using to spy. I recently watched a gamers nexus video on hacking TV's. Can you look on my network and find the TV. and then do a research project to look into what it would take to de-shittify this TV? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (6 children) software. And I want to poison any telemetry streams they might be using to spy. I recently watched a gamers nexus video on hacking TV's. Can you look on my network and find the TV. and then do a research project to look into what it would take to de-shittify this TV? So, "local" would require a pretty powerful machine here and "cloud" might eventually stop being an option because they don't want you to do such things using their cloud models. Other than that, you are starting to attain that tone of a person who thinks they are starting to understand something in depth, like a Linux convert that has learned that one can write shell scripts. Don't. You've used a glorified combination of Google and StackOverflow copypaste and it worked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (2 children) I litterally had the TV unplugged and sitting a basically a brick because it their software was such shit. Worse that could happen was that it stayed bricked. I didn't "do" anything other than express what I wanted it to do, punch in the code it told me to to give it developer access to the TV, and then finish watching Gamers nexus. Like I genuinely don't care what you think about this. I bought the 120 gb strix halo machine specifically for hosting local LLMs. You have strong opinions. That's fine. But they are your opinions. Not mine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago (1 child) OK, sorry, got emotional and wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago Bruh its actually super fun if you have any networked/ IOT devices. You can just take control, like you own them (because you do). permalink fedilink source parent [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 3 points 4 days ago (2 children) What even is this comment? Someone asked how, person above simply replied how it started, and now you attack him because..? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 child) Got excited and wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 point 4 days ago* What do you mean wrong? Hacking home gadgets and smart devices is literally trending right now. Editing smart TVs is actually pretty meh, I've seen people edit firmware of common gadgets and smart devices to do whatever you want. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ai-coding-hack-smart-tvs-9.7392179 Using AI to remove power from the corporations is one right use case of it. EDIT: I might have misinterpreted you permalink fedilink source parent [+] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip -11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (12 children) Your prompt* One can’t converse with a non-entity Edit: downvote me all you want, your computer and chatbot are inanimate, they don’t think, you cannot converse with them, and they do not “know”. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] ChaosMonkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 days ago (1 child) Well, if you're being pedantic: prompt doesn't seem to fit as it refers to the "user" turn, and not the thread resulting of the back and forth communication between the "user" and "assistant". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip -5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) User “turn”? The computer doesn’t have a “turn”, it computes and generates output, you then read the output. Any anthropomorphic way of imagining this is necessarily incorrect. It is dumb-human emulation software. It is explicitly designed to portray an illusion of human interaction. Prompt is the generally accepted terminology in the relevant professional field permalink fedilink source parent [+] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world -7 points 5 days ago (9 children) Language policing is very Woke 1.0 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 days ago (8 children) I’m not policing I’m trying to help you not look like one of those dumbasses who thinks their computer is sentient permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world -4 points 5 days ago (7 children) No you are. That's what that is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 days ago (6 children) I’m trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here but you’re not making it easy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (5 children) You can't persuade those people, before these bots they were picking a random Facebook post over a person they know, because they didn't want to be taking advice from that person, but random posts (except God forbid Wikipedia, because they say it can be unreliable ; that can't happen to a random Facebook post you agree with, that's the real shit), and now these bots conveniently give them answers they are looking for, confirmed by high authority of some faceless company (anything is better than the authority of a person you meet who's more knowledgeable), for every kind of situation. And yes, they are trying to hide it thinking that's smart and they are avoiding conflicts with inadequate people who can't be reasoned with on all the important topics, that a text generator will seamlessly evolve into a race of robots helping them, that communist theocracy is the best system of government, that there's a world government controlling us via vaccines and all such very nuanced and perceptive takes. Hence the "language policing" complaint, that person is trying to weasel themselves out of answering that yes, they think their computer is sentient, without arguments. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 days ago That was also how I read their response, lmao They do think that their computer can think and converse, but they know that that position is untenable when examined beyond the scope of their emotional reasoning. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (3 children) The desire to control how others use language is a reactionary tendency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago (2 children) Well, OK, but you haven't answered whether you believe into the "spontaneous evolution of intelligence in a text approximator" thing. I understand if that's because of some stubbornness and desire for correctness of the conversation, but people believing in that are a problem not less than antivaxxers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 days ago I think his response meets the threshold of tacit admission permalink fedilink source parent [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) Your right. I haven't accepted your contrived framing that you are using to exploit the human tendencies of groupthink and group shame to change my language. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] YetAnotherNerd@sopuli.xyz 13 points 5 days ago (21 children) Assume I’m a newb. What kind of prompt would you give it? “ I have model x. Please find it and fix the apps on it to not record my information”? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago (20 children) My conversation literally started like: I have a local Samsung TV that is a good TV, but the Samsung software is absolute shit and I hate it. I dont want ads. I don't want their shit software. And I want to poison any telemetry streams they might be using to spy. I recently watched a gamers nexus video on hacking TV's. Can you look on my network and find the TV. and then do a research project to look into what it would take to de-shittify this TV? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (6 children) software. And I want to poison any telemetry streams they might be using to spy. I recently watched a gamers nexus video on hacking TV's. Can you look on my network and find the TV. and then do a research project to look into what it would take to de-shittify this TV? So, "local" would require a pretty powerful machine here and "cloud" might eventually stop being an option because they don't want you to do such things using their cloud models. Other than that, you are starting to attain that tone of a person who thinks they are starting to understand something in depth, like a Linux convert that has learned that one can write shell scripts. Don't. You've used a glorified combination of Google and StackOverflow copypaste and it worked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (2 children) I litterally had the TV unplugged and sitting a basically a brick because it their software was such shit. Worse that could happen was that it stayed bricked. I didn't "do" anything other than express what I wanted it to do, punch in the code it told me to to give it developer access to the TV, and then finish watching Gamers nexus. Like I genuinely don't care what you think about this. I bought the 120 gb strix halo machine specifically for hosting local LLMs. You have strong opinions. That's fine. But they are your opinions. Not mine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago (1 child) OK, sorry, got emotional and wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago Bruh its actually super fun if you have any networked/ IOT devices. You can just take control, like you own them (because you do). permalink fedilink source parent [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 3 points 4 days ago (2 children) What even is this comment? Someone asked how, person above simply replied how it started, and now you attack him because..? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 child) Got excited and wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 point 4 days ago* What do you mean wrong? Hacking home gadgets and smart devices is literally trending right now. Editing smart TVs is actually pretty meh, I've seen people edit firmware of common gadgets and smart devices to do whatever you want. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ai-coding-hack-smart-tvs-9.7392179 Using AI to remove power from the corporations is one right use case of it. EDIT: I might have misinterpreted you permalink fedilink source parent [+] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip -11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (12 children) Your prompt* One can’t converse with a non-entity Edit: downvote me all you want, your computer and chatbot are inanimate, they don’t think, you cannot converse with them, and they do not “know”. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] ChaosMonkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 days ago (1 child) Well, if you're being pedantic: prompt doesn't seem to fit as it refers to the "user" turn, and not the thread resulting of the back and forth communication between the "user" and "assistant". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip -5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) User “turn”? The computer doesn’t have a “turn”, it computes and generates output, you then read the output. Any anthropomorphic way of imagining this is necessarily incorrect. It is dumb-human emulation software. It is explicitly designed to portray an illusion of human interaction. Prompt is the generally accepted terminology in the relevant professional field permalink fedilink source parent [+] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world -7 points 5 days ago (9 children) Language policing is very Woke 1.0 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 days ago (8 children) I’m not policing I’m trying to help you not look like one of those dumbasses who thinks their computer is sentient permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world -4 points 5 days ago (7 children) No you are. That's what that is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 days ago (6 children) I’m trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here but you’re not making it easy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (5 children) You can't persuade those people, before these bots they were picking a random Facebook post over a person they know, because they didn't want to be taking advice from that person, but random posts (except God forbid Wikipedia, because they say it can be unreliable ; that can't happen to a random Facebook post you agree with, that's the real shit), and now these bots conveniently give them answers they are looking for, confirmed by high authority of some faceless company (anything is better than the authority of a person you meet who's more knowledgeable), for every kind of situation. And yes, they are trying to hide it thinking that's smart and they are avoiding conflicts with inadequate people who can't be reasoned with on all the important topics, that a text generator will seamlessly evolve into a race of robots helping them, that communist theocracy is the best system of government, that there's a world government controlling us via vaccines and all such very nuanced and perceptive takes. Hence the "language policing" complaint, that person is trying to weasel themselves out of answering that yes, they think their computer is sentient, without arguments. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 days ago That was also how I read their response, lmao They do think that their computer can think and converse, but they know that that position is untenable when examined beyond the scope of their emotional reasoning. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (3 children) The desire to control how others use language is a reactionary tendency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago (2 children) Well, OK, but you haven't answered whether you believe into the "spontaneous evolution of intelligence in a text approximator" thing. I understand if that's because of some stubbornness and desire for correctness of the conversation, but people believing in that are a problem not less than antivaxxers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 days ago I think his response meets the threshold of tacit admission permalink fedilink source parent [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) Your right. I haven't accepted your contrived framing that you are using to exploit the human tendencies of groupthink and group shame to change my language. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago (20 children) My conversation literally started like: I have a local Samsung TV that is a good TV, but the Samsung software is absolute shit and I hate it. I dont want ads. I don't want their shit software. And I want to poison any telemetry streams they might be using to spy. I recently watched a gamers nexus video on hacking TV's. Can you look on my network and find the TV. and then do a research project to look into what it would take to de-shittify this TV? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (6 children) software. And I want to poison any telemetry streams they might be using to spy. I recently watched a gamers nexus video on hacking TV's. Can you look on my network and find the TV. and then do a research project to look into what it would take to de-shittify this TV? So, "local" would require a pretty powerful machine here and "cloud" might eventually stop being an option because they don't want you to do such things using their cloud models. Other than that, you are starting to attain that tone of a person who thinks they are starting to understand something in depth, like a Linux convert that has learned that one can write shell scripts. Don't. You've used a glorified combination of Google and StackOverflow copypaste and it worked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (2 children) I litterally had the TV unplugged and sitting a basically a brick because it their software was such shit. Worse that could happen was that it stayed bricked. I didn't "do" anything other than express what I wanted it to do, punch in the code it told me to to give it developer access to the TV, and then finish watching Gamers nexus. Like I genuinely don't care what you think about this. I bought the 120 gb strix halo machine specifically for hosting local LLMs. You have strong opinions. That's fine. But they are your opinions. Not mine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago (1 child) OK, sorry, got emotional and wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago Bruh its actually super fun if you have any networked/ IOT devices. You can just take control, like you own them (because you do). permalink fedilink source parent [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 3 points 4 days ago (2 children) What even is this comment? Someone asked how, person above simply replied how it started, and now you attack him because..? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 child) Got excited and wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 point 4 days ago* What do you mean wrong? Hacking home gadgets and smart devices is literally trending right now. Editing smart TVs is actually pretty meh, I've seen people edit firmware of common gadgets and smart devices to do whatever you want. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ai-coding-hack-smart-tvs-9.7392179 Using AI to remove power from the corporations is one right use case of it. EDIT: I might have misinterpreted you permalink fedilink source parent [+] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip -11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (12 children) Your prompt* One can’t converse with a non-entity Edit: downvote me all you want, your computer and chatbot are inanimate, they don’t think, you cannot converse with them, and they do not “know”. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] ChaosMonkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 days ago (1 child) Well, if you're being pedantic: prompt doesn't seem to fit as it refers to the "user" turn, and not the thread resulting of the back and forth communication between the "user" and "assistant". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip -5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) User “turn”? The computer doesn’t have a “turn”, it computes and generates output, you then read the output. Any anthropomorphic way of imagining this is necessarily incorrect. It is dumb-human emulation software. It is explicitly designed to portray an illusion of human interaction. Prompt is the generally accepted terminology in the relevant professional field permalink fedilink source parent [+] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world -7 points 5 days ago (9 children) Language policing is very Woke 1.0 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 days ago (8 children) I’m not policing I’m trying to help you not look like one of those dumbasses who thinks their computer is sentient permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world -4 points 5 days ago (7 children) No you are. That's what that is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 days ago (6 children) I’m trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here but you’re not making it easy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (5 children) You can't persuade those people, before these bots they were picking a random Facebook post over a person they know, because they didn't want to be taking advice from that person, but random posts (except God forbid Wikipedia, because they say it can be unreliable ; that can't happen to a random Facebook post you agree with, that's the real shit), and now these bots conveniently give them answers they are looking for, confirmed by high authority of some faceless company (anything is better than the authority of a person you meet who's more knowledgeable), for every kind of situation. And yes, they are trying to hide it thinking that's smart and they are avoiding conflicts with inadequate people who can't be reasoned with on all the important topics, that a text generator will seamlessly evolve into a race of robots helping them, that communist theocracy is the best system of government, that there's a world government controlling us via vaccines and all such very nuanced and perceptive takes. Hence the "language policing" complaint, that person is trying to weasel themselves out of answering that yes, they think their computer is sentient, without arguments. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 days ago That was also how I read their response, lmao They do think that their computer can think and converse, but they know that that position is untenable when examined beyond the scope of their emotional reasoning. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (3 children) The desire to control how others use language is a reactionary tendency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago (2 children) Well, OK, but you haven't answered whether you believe into the "spontaneous evolution of intelligence in a text approximator" thing. I understand if that's because of some stubbornness and desire for correctness of the conversation, but people believing in that are a problem not less than antivaxxers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 days ago I think his response meets the threshold of tacit admission permalink fedilink source parent [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) Your right. I haven't accepted your contrived framing that you are using to exploit the human tendencies of groupthink and group shame to change my language. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] belochka@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (6 children) software. And I want to poison any telemetry streams they might be using to spy. I recently watched a gamers nexus video on hacking TV's. Can you look on my network and find the TV. and then do a research project to look into what it would take to de-shittify this TV? So, "local" would require a pretty powerful machine here and "cloud" might eventually stop being an option because they don't want you to do such things using their cloud models. Other than that, you are starting to attain that tone of a person who thinks they are starting to understand something in depth, like a Linux convert that has learned that one can write shell scripts. Don't. You've used a glorified combination of Google and StackOverflow copypaste and it worked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (2 children) I litterally had the TV unplugged and sitting a basically a brick because it their software was such shit. Worse that could happen was that it stayed bricked. I didn't "do" anything other than express what I wanted it to do, punch in the code it told me to to give it developer access to the TV, and then finish watching Gamers nexus. Like I genuinely don't care what you think about this. I bought the 120 gb strix halo machine specifically for hosting local LLMs. You have strong opinions. That's fine. But they are your opinions. Not mine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago (1 child) OK, sorry, got emotional and wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago Bruh its actually super fun if you have any networked/ IOT devices. You can just take control, like you own them (because you do). permalink fedilink source parent [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 3 points 4 days ago (2 children) What even is this comment? Someone asked how, person above simply replied how it started, and now you attack him because..? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 child) Got excited and wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 point 4 days ago* What do you mean wrong? Hacking home gadgets and smart devices is literally trending right now. Editing smart TVs is actually pretty meh, I've seen people edit firmware of common gadgets and smart devices to do whatever you want. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ai-coding-hack-smart-tvs-9.7392179 Using AI to remove power from the corporations is one right use case of it. EDIT: I might have misinterpreted you permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (2 children) I litterally had the TV unplugged and sitting a basically a brick because it their software was such shit. Worse that could happen was that it stayed bricked. I didn't "do" anything other than express what I wanted it to do, punch in the code it told me to to give it developer access to the TV, and then finish watching Gamers nexus. Like I genuinely don't care what you think about this. I bought the 120 gb strix halo machine specifically for hosting local LLMs. You have strong opinions. That's fine. But they are your opinions. Not mine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago (1 child) OK, sorry, got emotional and wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago Bruh its actually super fun if you have any networked/ IOT devices. You can just take control, like you own them (because you do). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] belochka@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago (1 child) OK, sorry, got emotional and wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago Bruh its actually super fun if you have any networked/ IOT devices. You can just take control, like you own them (because you do). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago Bruh its actually super fun if you have any networked/ IOT devices. You can just take control, like you own them (because you do). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 3 points 4 days ago (2 children) What even is this comment? Someone asked how, person above simply replied how it started, and now you attack him because..? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 child) Got excited and wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 point 4 days ago* What do you mean wrong? Hacking home gadgets and smart devices is literally trending right now. Editing smart TVs is actually pretty meh, I've seen people edit firmware of common gadgets and smart devices to do whatever you want. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ai-coding-hack-smart-tvs-9.7392179 Using AI to remove power from the corporations is one right use case of it. EDIT: I might have misinterpreted you permalink fedilink source parent
[–] belochka@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 child) Got excited and wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 point 4 days ago* What do you mean wrong? Hacking home gadgets and smart devices is literally trending right now. Editing smart TVs is actually pretty meh, I've seen people edit firmware of common gadgets and smart devices to do whatever you want. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ai-coding-hack-smart-tvs-9.7392179 Using AI to remove power from the corporations is one right use case of it. EDIT: I might have misinterpreted you permalink fedilink source parent
[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 point 4 days ago* What do you mean wrong? Hacking home gadgets and smart devices is literally trending right now. Editing smart TVs is actually pretty meh, I've seen people edit firmware of common gadgets and smart devices to do whatever you want. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ai-coding-hack-smart-tvs-9.7392179 Using AI to remove power from the corporations is one right use case of it. EDIT: I might have misinterpreted you permalink fedilink source parent
[+] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip -11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (12 children) Your prompt* One can’t converse with a non-entity Edit: downvote me all you want, your computer and chatbot are inanimate, they don’t think, you cannot converse with them, and they do not “know”. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] ChaosMonkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 days ago (1 child) Well, if you're being pedantic: prompt doesn't seem to fit as it refers to the "user" turn, and not the thread resulting of the back and forth communication between the "user" and "assistant". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip -5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) User “turn”? The computer doesn’t have a “turn”, it computes and generates output, you then read the output. Any anthropomorphic way of imagining this is necessarily incorrect. It is dumb-human emulation software. It is explicitly designed to portray an illusion of human interaction. Prompt is the generally accepted terminology in the relevant professional field permalink fedilink source parent [+] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world -7 points 5 days ago (9 children) Language policing is very Woke 1.0 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 days ago (8 children) I’m not policing I’m trying to help you not look like one of those dumbasses who thinks their computer is sentient permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world -4 points 5 days ago (7 children) No you are. That's what that is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 days ago (6 children) I’m trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here but you’re not making it easy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (5 children) You can't persuade those people, before these bots they were picking a random Facebook post over a person they know, because they didn't want to be taking advice from that person, but random posts (except God forbid Wikipedia, because they say it can be unreliable ; that can't happen to a random Facebook post you agree with, that's the real shit), and now these bots conveniently give them answers they are looking for, confirmed by high authority of some faceless company (anything is better than the authority of a person you meet who's more knowledgeable), for every kind of situation. And yes, they are trying to hide it thinking that's smart and they are avoiding conflicts with inadequate people who can't be reasoned with on all the important topics, that a text generator will seamlessly evolve into a race of robots helping them, that communist theocracy is the best system of government, that there's a world government controlling us via vaccines and all such very nuanced and perceptive takes. Hence the "language policing" complaint, that person is trying to weasel themselves out of answering that yes, they think their computer is sentient, without arguments. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 days ago That was also how I read their response, lmao They do think that their computer can think and converse, but they know that that position is untenable when examined beyond the scope of their emotional reasoning. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (3 children) The desire to control how others use language is a reactionary tendency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago (2 children) Well, OK, but you haven't answered whether you believe into the "spontaneous evolution of intelligence in a text approximator" thing. I understand if that's because of some stubbornness and desire for correctness of the conversation, but people believing in that are a problem not less than antivaxxers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 days ago I think his response meets the threshold of tacit admission permalink fedilink source parent [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) Your right. I haven't accepted your contrived framing that you are using to exploit the human tendencies of groupthink and group shame to change my language. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChaosMonkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 days ago (1 child) Well, if you're being pedantic: prompt doesn't seem to fit as it refers to the "user" turn, and not the thread resulting of the back and forth communication between the "user" and "assistant". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip -5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) User “turn”? The computer doesn’t have a “turn”, it computes and generates output, you then read the output. Any anthropomorphic way of imagining this is necessarily incorrect. It is dumb-human emulation software. It is explicitly designed to portray an illusion of human interaction. Prompt is the generally accepted terminology in the relevant professional field permalink fedilink source parent
[–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip -5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) User “turn”? The computer doesn’t have a “turn”, it computes and generates output, you then read the output. Any anthropomorphic way of imagining this is necessarily incorrect. It is dumb-human emulation software. It is explicitly designed to portray an illusion of human interaction. Prompt is the generally accepted terminology in the relevant professional field permalink fedilink source parent
[+] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world -7 points 5 days ago (9 children) Language policing is very Woke 1.0 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 days ago (8 children) I’m not policing I’m trying to help you not look like one of those dumbasses who thinks their computer is sentient permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world -4 points 5 days ago (7 children) No you are. That's what that is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 days ago (6 children) I’m trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here but you’re not making it easy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (5 children) You can't persuade those people, before these bots they were picking a random Facebook post over a person they know, because they didn't want to be taking advice from that person, but random posts (except God forbid Wikipedia, because they say it can be unreliable ; that can't happen to a random Facebook post you agree with, that's the real shit), and now these bots conveniently give them answers they are looking for, confirmed by high authority of some faceless company (anything is better than the authority of a person you meet who's more knowledgeable), for every kind of situation. And yes, they are trying to hide it thinking that's smart and they are avoiding conflicts with inadequate people who can't be reasoned with on all the important topics, that a text generator will seamlessly evolve into a race of robots helping them, that communist theocracy is the best system of government, that there's a world government controlling us via vaccines and all such very nuanced and perceptive takes. Hence the "language policing" complaint, that person is trying to weasel themselves out of answering that yes, they think their computer is sentient, without arguments. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 days ago That was also how I read their response, lmao They do think that their computer can think and converse, but they know that that position is untenable when examined beyond the scope of their emotional reasoning. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (3 children) The desire to control how others use language is a reactionary tendency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago (2 children) Well, OK, but you haven't answered whether you believe into the "spontaneous evolution of intelligence in a text approximator" thing. I understand if that's because of some stubbornness and desire for correctness of the conversation, but people believing in that are a problem not less than antivaxxers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 days ago I think his response meets the threshold of tacit admission permalink fedilink source parent [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) Your right. I haven't accepted your contrived framing that you are using to exploit the human tendencies of groupthink and group shame to change my language. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 days ago (8 children) I’m not policing I’m trying to help you not look like one of those dumbasses who thinks their computer is sentient permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world -4 points 5 days ago (7 children) No you are. That's what that is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 days ago (6 children) I’m trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here but you’re not making it easy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (5 children) You can't persuade those people, before these bots they were picking a random Facebook post over a person they know, because they didn't want to be taking advice from that person, but random posts (except God forbid Wikipedia, because they say it can be unreliable ; that can't happen to a random Facebook post you agree with, that's the real shit), and now these bots conveniently give them answers they are looking for, confirmed by high authority of some faceless company (anything is better than the authority of a person you meet who's more knowledgeable), for every kind of situation. And yes, they are trying to hide it thinking that's smart and they are avoiding conflicts with inadequate people who can't be reasoned with on all the important topics, that a text generator will seamlessly evolve into a race of robots helping them, that communist theocracy is the best system of government, that there's a world government controlling us via vaccines and all such very nuanced and perceptive takes. Hence the "language policing" complaint, that person is trying to weasel themselves out of answering that yes, they think their computer is sentient, without arguments. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 days ago That was also how I read their response, lmao They do think that their computer can think and converse, but they know that that position is untenable when examined beyond the scope of their emotional reasoning. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (3 children) The desire to control how others use language is a reactionary tendency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago (2 children) Well, OK, but you haven't answered whether you believe into the "spontaneous evolution of intelligence in a text approximator" thing. I understand if that's because of some stubbornness and desire for correctness of the conversation, but people believing in that are a problem not less than antivaxxers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 days ago I think his response meets the threshold of tacit admission permalink fedilink source parent [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) Your right. I haven't accepted your contrived framing that you are using to exploit the human tendencies of groupthink and group shame to change my language. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world -4 points 5 days ago (7 children) No you are. That's what that is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 days ago (6 children) I’m trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here but you’re not making it easy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (5 children) You can't persuade those people, before these bots they were picking a random Facebook post over a person they know, because they didn't want to be taking advice from that person, but random posts (except God forbid Wikipedia, because they say it can be unreliable ; that can't happen to a random Facebook post you agree with, that's the real shit), and now these bots conveniently give them answers they are looking for, confirmed by high authority of some faceless company (anything is better than the authority of a person you meet who's more knowledgeable), for every kind of situation. And yes, they are trying to hide it thinking that's smart and they are avoiding conflicts with inadequate people who can't be reasoned with on all the important topics, that a text generator will seamlessly evolve into a race of robots helping them, that communist theocracy is the best system of government, that there's a world government controlling us via vaccines and all such very nuanced and perceptive takes. Hence the "language policing" complaint, that person is trying to weasel themselves out of answering that yes, they think their computer is sentient, without arguments. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 days ago That was also how I read their response, lmao They do think that their computer can think and converse, but they know that that position is untenable when examined beyond the scope of their emotional reasoning. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (3 children) The desire to control how others use language is a reactionary tendency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago (2 children) Well, OK, but you haven't answered whether you believe into the "spontaneous evolution of intelligence in a text approximator" thing. I understand if that's because of some stubbornness and desire for correctness of the conversation, but people believing in that are a problem not less than antivaxxers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 days ago I think his response meets the threshold of tacit admission permalink fedilink source parent [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) Your right. I haven't accepted your contrived framing that you are using to exploit the human tendencies of groupthink and group shame to change my language. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 days ago (6 children) I’m trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here but you’re not making it easy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (5 children) You can't persuade those people, before these bots they were picking a random Facebook post over a person they know, because they didn't want to be taking advice from that person, but random posts (except God forbid Wikipedia, because they say it can be unreliable ; that can't happen to a random Facebook post you agree with, that's the real shit), and now these bots conveniently give them answers they are looking for, confirmed by high authority of some faceless company (anything is better than the authority of a person you meet who's more knowledgeable), for every kind of situation. And yes, they are trying to hide it thinking that's smart and they are avoiding conflicts with inadequate people who can't be reasoned with on all the important topics, that a text generator will seamlessly evolve into a race of robots helping them, that communist theocracy is the best system of government, that there's a world government controlling us via vaccines and all such very nuanced and perceptive takes. Hence the "language policing" complaint, that person is trying to weasel themselves out of answering that yes, they think their computer is sentient, without arguments. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 days ago That was also how I read their response, lmao They do think that their computer can think and converse, but they know that that position is untenable when examined beyond the scope of their emotional reasoning. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (3 children) The desire to control how others use language is a reactionary tendency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago (2 children) Well, OK, but you haven't answered whether you believe into the "spontaneous evolution of intelligence in a text approximator" thing. I understand if that's because of some stubbornness and desire for correctness of the conversation, but people believing in that are a problem not less than antivaxxers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 days ago I think his response meets the threshold of tacit admission permalink fedilink source parent [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) Your right. I haven't accepted your contrived framing that you are using to exploit the human tendencies of groupthink and group shame to change my language. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] belochka@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (5 children) You can't persuade those people, before these bots they were picking a random Facebook post over a person they know, because they didn't want to be taking advice from that person, but random posts (except God forbid Wikipedia, because they say it can be unreliable ; that can't happen to a random Facebook post you agree with, that's the real shit), and now these bots conveniently give them answers they are looking for, confirmed by high authority of some faceless company (anything is better than the authority of a person you meet who's more knowledgeable), for every kind of situation. And yes, they are trying to hide it thinking that's smart and they are avoiding conflicts with inadequate people who can't be reasoned with on all the important topics, that a text generator will seamlessly evolve into a race of robots helping them, that communist theocracy is the best system of government, that there's a world government controlling us via vaccines and all such very nuanced and perceptive takes. Hence the "language policing" complaint, that person is trying to weasel themselves out of answering that yes, they think their computer is sentient, without arguments. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 days ago That was also how I read their response, lmao They do think that their computer can think and converse, but they know that that position is untenable when examined beyond the scope of their emotional reasoning. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (3 children) The desire to control how others use language is a reactionary tendency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago (2 children) Well, OK, but you haven't answered whether you believe into the "spontaneous evolution of intelligence in a text approximator" thing. I understand if that's because of some stubbornness and desire for correctness of the conversation, but people believing in that are a problem not less than antivaxxers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 days ago I think his response meets the threshold of tacit admission permalink fedilink source parent [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) Your right. I haven't accepted your contrived framing that you are using to exploit the human tendencies of groupthink and group shame to change my language. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 days ago That was also how I read their response, lmao They do think that their computer can think and converse, but they know that that position is untenable when examined beyond the scope of their emotional reasoning. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (3 children) The desire to control how others use language is a reactionary tendency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago (2 children) Well, OK, but you haven't answered whether you believe into the "spontaneous evolution of intelligence in a text approximator" thing. I understand if that's because of some stubbornness and desire for correctness of the conversation, but people believing in that are a problem not less than antivaxxers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 days ago I think his response meets the threshold of tacit admission permalink fedilink source parent [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) Your right. I haven't accepted your contrived framing that you are using to exploit the human tendencies of groupthink and group shame to change my language. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] belochka@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago (2 children) Well, OK, but you haven't answered whether you believe into the "spontaneous evolution of intelligence in a text approximator" thing. I understand if that's because of some stubbornness and desire for correctness of the conversation, but people believing in that are a problem not less than antivaxxers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 days ago I think his response meets the threshold of tacit admission permalink fedilink source parent [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) Your right. I haven't accepted your contrived framing that you are using to exploit the human tendencies of groupthink and group shame to change my language. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 days ago I think his response meets the threshold of tacit admission permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) Your right. I haven't accepted your contrived framing that you are using to exploit the human tendencies of groupthink and group shame to change my language. permalink fedilink source parent