▲ 344 ▼ In China, the AI bubble has already burst (www.reuters.com) submitted 1 day ago* by inari@piefed.zip to c/technology@lemmy.world 137 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 49 points 16 hours ago (14 children) Cheap GPUs when? permalink fedilink source hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 33 minutes ago Probably not any time soon? China's buying 5090s in bulk to literally remove the chips and transplant them onto server form factor boards for AI. The stocks crashed because there's so much competition now and nobody can expect to take the whole market. Deepseek, Qwen, GLM, Kimi are ALL way cheaper than the US counterparts and quite comparable. It's not exciting anymore. When Deepseek R1 came out, everyone thought that Deepseek was going to completely take everything over. Now pretty much everyone is getting close to Claude in performance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago Never. Western capitalists will make Chinese hardware illegal before they allow cheaper goods to undercut their profits. It’s exactly what they’re doing in the auto industry, why should tech be different? permalink fedilink source parent [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago That's... that's not how this works. That's not how any of this works. Mild discounts, yes. Cheap again? No. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 18 points 7 hours ago I'm beginning to suspect never. The industry (read nvidia) got taste for selling stuff in bulk to those who don't care about price and/or quality. They don't want to return to the world where regular people (ew) were their primary source of income. They will find new scam to use their cards on. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago Oh you sweet summer child. Do you actually think the price of GPUs are going to come down?!? permalink fedilink source parent [–] horsesaysweird@feddit.org 2 points 7 hours ago Not until we recover from bailing out the US AI industry, which will probably take at least a few years. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 point 7 hours ago Only if you're fine with writing your own drivers for Moore's Threads GPUs... permalink fedilink source parent [–] bilb@lemmy.ml 11 points 13 hours ago CheaPUs permalink fedilink source parent [–] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 7 points 14 hours ago (5 children) Ill take two cheap gpus please permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] 0x0@infosec.pub 1 point 13 hours ago* (4 children) You can buy a 16gb v100 in a pcie card for under 400usd or just the gpu for 220usd, unfortunately the price jumps 3x minimum if you want a 32gb version permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 10 points 13 hours ago (3 children) You can buy a 16gb v100 no thanks, I'd prefer a GPU that can actually process graphics AND DISPLAY THEM.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TBi@lemmy.world 1 point 7 hours ago Do these support Optimus to redirect the video output? Could be an option if it’s cheap enough. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0x0@infosec.pub -4 points 12 hours ago* (1 child) I guess you could buy a bc250 or a gameboy if thats important for you, but i doubt theyll show up as a result of chinas datacenter failing so youll just have to wait even more then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago* I'd prefer a gpu meant to drive displays because my friends aren't LLMs and all this absurd garbage has made it impossible to buy 5090s without a mortgage. I'd wager the people asking for cheap GPUs above want them for the same. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 point 33 minutes ago Probably not any time soon? China's buying 5090s in bulk to literally remove the chips and transplant them onto server form factor boards for AI. The stocks crashed because there's so much competition now and nobody can expect to take the whole market. Deepseek, Qwen, GLM, Kimi are ALL way cheaper than the US counterparts and quite comparable. It's not exciting anymore. When Deepseek R1 came out, everyone thought that Deepseek was going to completely take everything over. Now pretty much everyone is getting close to Claude in performance. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago Never. Western capitalists will make Chinese hardware illegal before they allow cheaper goods to undercut their profits. It’s exactly what they’re doing in the auto industry, why should tech be different? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago That's... that's not how this works. That's not how any of this works. Mild discounts, yes. Cheap again? No. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 18 points 7 hours ago I'm beginning to suspect never. The industry (read nvidia) got taste for selling stuff in bulk to those who don't care about price and/or quality. They don't want to return to the world where regular people (ew) were their primary source of income. They will find new scam to use their cards on. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago Oh you sweet summer child. Do you actually think the price of GPUs are going to come down?!? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] horsesaysweird@feddit.org 2 points 7 hours ago Not until we recover from bailing out the US AI industry, which will probably take at least a few years. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 point 7 hours ago Only if you're fine with writing your own drivers for Moore's Threads GPUs... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 7 points 14 hours ago (5 children) Ill take two cheap gpus please permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] 0x0@infosec.pub 1 point 13 hours ago* (4 children) You can buy a 16gb v100 in a pcie card for under 400usd or just the gpu for 220usd, unfortunately the price jumps 3x minimum if you want a 32gb version permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 10 points 13 hours ago (3 children) You can buy a 16gb v100 no thanks, I'd prefer a GPU that can actually process graphics AND DISPLAY THEM.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TBi@lemmy.world 1 point 7 hours ago Do these support Optimus to redirect the video output? Could be an option if it’s cheap enough. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0x0@infosec.pub -4 points 12 hours ago* (1 child) I guess you could buy a bc250 or a gameboy if thats important for you, but i doubt theyll show up as a result of chinas datacenter failing so youll just have to wait even more then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago* I'd prefer a gpu meant to drive displays because my friends aren't LLMs and all this absurd garbage has made it impossible to buy 5090s without a mortgage. I'd wager the people asking for cheap GPUs above want them for the same. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 0x0@infosec.pub 1 point 13 hours ago* (4 children) You can buy a 16gb v100 in a pcie card for under 400usd or just the gpu for 220usd, unfortunately the price jumps 3x minimum if you want a 32gb version permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 10 points 13 hours ago (3 children) You can buy a 16gb v100 no thanks, I'd prefer a GPU that can actually process graphics AND DISPLAY THEM.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TBi@lemmy.world 1 point 7 hours ago Do these support Optimus to redirect the video output? Could be an option if it’s cheap enough. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0x0@infosec.pub -4 points 12 hours ago* (1 child) I guess you could buy a bc250 or a gameboy if thats important for you, but i doubt theyll show up as a result of chinas datacenter failing so youll just have to wait even more then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago* I'd prefer a gpu meant to drive displays because my friends aren't LLMs and all this absurd garbage has made it impossible to buy 5090s without a mortgage. I'd wager the people asking for cheap GPUs above want them for the same. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 10 points 13 hours ago (3 children) You can buy a 16gb v100 no thanks, I'd prefer a GPU that can actually process graphics AND DISPLAY THEM.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TBi@lemmy.world 1 point 7 hours ago Do these support Optimus to redirect the video output? Could be an option if it’s cheap enough. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0x0@infosec.pub -4 points 12 hours ago* (1 child) I guess you could buy a bc250 or a gameboy if thats important for you, but i doubt theyll show up as a result of chinas datacenter failing so youll just have to wait even more then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago* I'd prefer a gpu meant to drive displays because my friends aren't LLMs and all this absurd garbage has made it impossible to buy 5090s without a mortgage. I'd wager the people asking for cheap GPUs above want them for the same. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TBi@lemmy.world 1 point 7 hours ago Do these support Optimus to redirect the video output? Could be an option if it’s cheap enough. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 0x0@infosec.pub -4 points 12 hours ago* (1 child) I guess you could buy a bc250 or a gameboy if thats important for you, but i doubt theyll show up as a result of chinas datacenter failing so youll just have to wait even more then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago* I'd prefer a gpu meant to drive displays because my friends aren't LLMs and all this absurd garbage has made it impossible to buy 5090s without a mortgage. I'd wager the people asking for cheap GPUs above want them for the same. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago* I'd prefer a gpu meant to drive displays because my friends aren't LLMs and all this absurd garbage has made it impossible to buy 5090s without a mortgage. I'd wager the people asking for cheap GPUs above want them for the same. permalink fedilink source parent