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Facebook mogul’s sudden appearance is increasingly typical of freewheeling West Wing during Donald Trump’s second term, which president has reportedly nicknamed ‘Grand Central Terminal’

Air Force leaders learned that lesson earlier this year when they arrived for a top-secret briefing with Trump in the Oval Office, which according to NBC News was scheduled for them to discuss plans for America’s sixth-generation fighter aircraft, dubbed the F-47 in a nod to Trump’s status as the 47th President of the United States.

As the generals were going over the details of the super-stealthy plane, which Trump has called the most advanced, capable and lethal combat aircraft platform ever built, they were startled by the appearance of Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg popping into the Oval Office.

According to NBC, White House officials became concerned that Zuckerberg, one of the wealthiest men in the world, lacked the security clearance required to be present for talks about such a sensitive national security matter.

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[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 162 points 1 day ago (12 children)

Looks like trump found his new benefactor. Which is honestly baffling because we literally all just saw what happened with Musk. If these tech CEOs are supposed to be geniuses why do they keep falling for the same shit? Like, just google what happens to most oligarchs when they support any kind of authoritarianism. Whether it's Mussolini, Hitler, or Putin, they always get shafted in the end. Does money and greed just cause brain damage or something? Is it the massive amounts of power and drugs?

[–] Xaphanos@lemmy.world 106 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"I'm different". They really believe that they are better/smarter than everyone else.

[–] raltoid@lemmy.world 59 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's narcissism. The driving force behind conservatism as a whole, is narcissism. They all think they're the special individual that will get special treatement. Hence the whole "leopards eating faces" thing.

[–] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It would be more correct to say the driving force is Type B personality disorders, of which narcissism is one. But sociopathy plays a big role too.

[–] raltoid@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yeah, it's not strictly narcissism, but in general it is lower level of empathy in varying degrees.

[–] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago

They are often comorbid

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 38 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Like, just google what happens to most oligarchs when they support any kind of authoritarianism. Whether it’s Mussolini, Hitler, or Putin, they always get shafted in the end.

What on earth are you talking about? The oligarchs who supported Hitler made a bunch of money, saw organized labor crushed, and then did fine after the war. Nazi war criminal Fritz ter Meer, who was a senior board member of IG Farben, manufacturing Zyklon B for the gas chambers, got a couple years in prison and then became chairman of Bayer.

[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

https://tourguide-kevin.com/oligarchs-and-hitler/

Literally within the first few results. Half these dudes got imprisoned and the rest were ruined after the fact.

"Alfred Hugenberg (1865–1951)

Alfred Hugenberg, a powerful German businessman and politician, was instrumental in Hitler’s early rise to power. As a media mogul and leader of the German National People’s Party (DNVP), he helped legitimize the Nazi Party by forming a coalition with Hitler in 1933. Hugenberg believed he could control Hitler and use him to advance his nationalist and conservative agenda. However, once Hitler consolidated power, he sidelined Hugenberg and absorbed his party into the Nazi machine. Hugenberg’s influence quickly diminished, and he found himself politically irrelevant, regretting his role in facilitating Hitler’s dictatorship.

Fritz Thyssen (1873–1951)

Fritz Thyssen, the industrial magnate behind the Thyssen steel empire, was one of Hitler’s early financial backers. He saw Hitler as a bulwark against communism and labor unions, supporting him financially in the late 1920s and early 1930s. However, as the Nazi regime became increasingly totalitarian and aggressive, Thyssen became disillusioned. He opposed Hitler’s militarization and, after the invasion of Poland in 1939, fled Germany. Thyssen was later arrested by the Nazis and imprisoned in a concentration camp, a stark reminder of how those who enabled Hitler could also become his victims.

Emil Kirdorf (1847–1938)

Emil Kirdorf, a coal and steel magnate, was an ardent supporter of Hitler in the early years, helping to fund the Nazi Party’s activities. He saw Hitler as a means to suppress socialism and protect capitalist interests. However, Kirdorf was eventually disappointed by the Nazi economic policies, particularly those that exerted excessive control over private enterprise. He regretted his support when he realized that Hitler was not just suppressing socialism but was also imposing a centralized economic system that limited business autonomy.

Gustav Krupp (1870–1950)

The Krupp industrial dynasty was deeply entangled with the Nazi war machine, and Gustav Krupp personally backed Hitler, seeing him as a leader who would strengthen Germany’s military industry. However, as the war progressed, the massive devastation and economic ruin caused by Hitler’s policies became apparent. By the end of World War II, the Krupp empire was dismantled, and members of the family faced prosecution for war crimes. The destruction of his business and the moral weight of association with Hitler left Gustav Krupp with profound regret.

Karl Friedrich Goerdeler (1884–1945)

Karl Friedrich Goerdeler was a businessman and politician who initially supported Hitler’s rise but later became a key member of the anti-Nazi resistance. As the mayor of Leipzig and an advisor to German industries, he believed that Hitler would restore Germany’s economic strength. However, he soon became disillusioned by Hitler’s radical policies, suppression of freedoms, and militarization. Goerdeler became involved in the failed 1944 plot to assassinate Hitler, leading to his execution. His regret over supporting Hitler drove him to actively resist the regime.

Hjalmar Schacht (1877–1970)

Hjalmar Schacht, an economist and banker, played a critical role in Hitler’s early economic success, helping to stabilize the German economy in the 1930s. However, he grew increasingly critical of Hitler’s reckless spending and aggressive military expansion. By the late 1930s, he had distanced himself from the regime and was eventually arrested for his opposition. Schacht survived the war but deeply regretted his initial support, realizing that he had helped enable one of history’s most destructive leaders."

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

So a handful of people grew consciences and decided that they didn't like the Nazis, but what was actually done to them while they remained loyal, or to others who never turned against them? "Some people grew disillusioned" isn't the same thing as the Nazis actively turning on them personally.

When the Nazis seized property, it was generally the property of minorities which was then often redistributed upwards to the rich. Many bourgeoisie made out like bandits, so long as they were white and didn't have a conscience.

[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 46 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Does money and greed just cause brain damage or something?

Kind of, yeah.

[–] eatCasserole@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

Interesting article. I was actually just trying to recall this study, and then it was mentioned:

A UC Berkeley study found that in San Francisco—where the law requires that cars stop at crosswalks for pedestrians to pass—drivers of luxury cars were four times less likely than those in less expensive vehicles to stop and allow pedestrians the right of way. They were also more likely to cut off other drivers.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago

Looks like they've known this for awhile. I missed this, thanks for posting.

  • people of lower economic status were better at reading others’ facial expressions—an important marker of empathy—than wealthier people.
  • drivers of luxury cars were four times less likely than those in less expensive vehicles to stop and allow pedestrians the right of way. They were also more likely to cut off other drivers.
  • A number of studies have found that affluent children are more vulnerable to substance-abuse issues, potentially because of high pressure to achieve and isolation from parents.
  • While a process addiction is not a chemical addiction, it does involve compulsive behavior—in this case, an addiction to the good feeling that comes from receiving money or possessions—which can ultimately lead to negative consequences and harm the individual’s well-being.
  • In upwardly mobile communities, children are often pressed to excel at multiple academic and extracurricular pursuits to maximize their long-term academic prospects—a phenomenon that may well engender high stress
  • There is no direct correlation between income and happiness. After a certain level of income that can take care of basic needs and relieve strain (some say $50,000 a year, some say $75,000), wealth makes hardly any difference to overall well-being and happiness and, if anything, only harms well-being:
[–] Alaik@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 day ago

Because they're not geniuses, they all come from money, thats all.

[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

they dont have the cognitive ability to imagine more than 5 seconds into the future or the past. Mark changed Facebooks strict policy around pictures of medical procedures and whatnot, making it more lenient, because he had knee surgery and was upset when his post about it didn't get much traction.

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

Because Musk made a lot of money being Trump's henchmen.

[–] Buske@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

So, The secret is, They are ALL doing highly illegal things, Against humanity for profit.

[–] morphballganon@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 1 day ago

"We all saw what happened with Musk"

Yeah and it wasn't too bad. Still a billionaire. Still allowed to do business. Still free. Still alive.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Every single one of these assholes were simply in the right place at the right time. Many with a leg up from money and cronyism. None of them are any smarter than the people you deal with every day.

[–] ctrl_alt_esc@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

Exactly, in fact a lot of them are exceptionally stupid.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

It's his turn to be betrayed by Trump. Hopefully, it happens before the mid-term primaries, so Zuckerbot can join Musk in funding the opposition.

[–] taco@piefed.social 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If these tech CEOs are supposed to be geniuses why do they keep falling for the same shit?

At least part of the explanation is that none of them are actually geniuses, despite what they may tell you.

[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

And that's kinda my point. I work with a bunch of people that are republicans and I had to listen to them talk about how smart Musk is for months until he got canned.

[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

In this case, it makes sense though. The recent techbro crypto bank announcement, a bank created by the same tech billionaires that intentionally crashed/destroyed SVB, is basically a play to shift the American financial system into stablecoins / cryptocurrencies entirely, as it's something that the tech bro class figures they can control for their own benefit.

That's all moving ahead on schedule, and is in line with Curtis Yarvin's whole techno fascist monarchy dream for how democracies need to die. They really only need to appease Trump for so long as it takes to get control of those purse strings. Egging on destruction / chaos for things like social services also feeds this pattern, it's easier to convince someone they need to make drastic changes to their home, if that home is currently on fire.

Having a constant tech-fascist publicly whispering these sorts of things in Trump's senile ears helps to keep up the facade within the maga-bubble that it's a "broadly accepted" approach to benefit everyone, that's been agreed upon by a bunch of "data driven" science types, when it's absolutely not. It's tech oligarchs looking to dismantle and own most western democracies.