idiomaddict comments on When lunatics start talking about expelling all Israelis 'Back to Europe' instead of integrating them in a one-state solution

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I can’t see descendants of settlers who are en masse being kicked out of their homes and heavily taxed coming together to peacefully build a society with the people whom they ceded their homes to and whom they’re paying those reparations. Can you? How would you go about it without making them so resentful that they either refuse to help rebuild or start attacking the institutions of the new single state?

I see the philosophical balance your solution would bring and it’s what I would want to do if I suddenly found myself a settler/settler’s descendant, but I don’t think enforcing it will lead to lasting peace. Perhaps with an education system that truly integrates children and teaches all of their history, without whitewashing any of it. But I think there’s a very strong cultural attachment in Israel to homeschooling, and don’t know if enforcing public schooling would create further resentment.

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[–] Saleh@feddit.org 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It is quite simple. If they dont comply with the law, they face criminal punishment. If they are unwilling to compensate the victims of their land robbery, then all their assets, including abroad, need to be seized and given to their victims.

The sentimentalities of the criminals can not be a detriment to the rights of the victims. Either the criminals obey and work to resocialize, or they face additional punishment.

As the IDF is a genocidal terror organization Israelis, who largely served in that terror organization, are already getting a very good deal, if they are not imprisoned for multiple decades and only the worst offenders are held criminally liable.

They should rejoice at the opportunity given to them to only repay their victims for the damage they have done.

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[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

I don’t think it’s very simple at all.

According to the CBS, about 40% of Jews in Israel were born to a father also born in Israel. Given the relative youth of the Israeli population and the fact that it’s been nearly 80 years since Mandatory Palestine existed, the number is probably quite a bit higher (especially because that number only relates to the fathers, not the mothers), but even if only 60% of Israeli Jews are descendants of settlers, that’s nearly 5 million people. Out of a total population of about 15 million people living in Israel and Palestine combined.

A poll published in may showed that more than 80% and more than half of all Israelis support forced expulsion of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip and forced expulsion of Arabs from Israel, respectively. That’s five and eight million people. (The poll itself was only published in Hebrew, but I think this is the link).

How can a unified, peaceful country actually be created without “giving into their sentimentality” when somewhere between a third and over half of them feel that way? What is additional punishment? A country cannot afford to imprison that large a proportion of its population, and fines would exacerbate the resentment. I could see some form of community service in the form of war cleanup and having to physically, literally deal with the results of a genocide working to reset people’s perspective on it, but it’s not as though they’re not aware of what’s happening. I don’t know that simply being confronted with the viscerality of the genocide they knowingly support would do much, especially with such a high proportion of the population who do support it.

I’m not saying that the answer is to just give in to the demands of genocide supporters. I’m saying that it’s hard to imagine a workable solution and simply evicting and heavily taxing a whole bunch of people is going to lead to resentment.

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[–] Saleh@feddit.org 3 points 1 year ago

I agree it is not simple in execution, but it is simple in the basis of it. Of course that requires external forces to enforce the law against anyone who chooses to fight it.

Ways to mitigate things could be a "Dezionification" process that teaches Israelis about their crimes. However you are right it will probably not go without using violence to enforce the law against Israeli criminals.

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