PugJesus comments on When lunatics start talking about expelling all Israelis 'Back to Europe' instead of integrating them in a one-state solution

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 3 points 1 year ago* (12 children)

If we look at the modern history of the reigon, the Zionist have been the agressors since NATO made the choice to just give the Palestinians’ land to the Zionists, because the Zionists wanted the land and had an excuse/sympathy after WW2.

NATO wasn't founded until over a year after Israel was. Soviet aid, in fact, was instrumental in saving Israel after it was founded in '48.

There hasn’t been a political party in Isreal capable of being peaceful and fair with their neighbors.

Okay? That still doesn't justify genocide?

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (11 children)

If you want to be pedantic about what NATO was called when the same members were just the allied forces then idk if we can talk about this in good faith.

Okay? That still doesn't justify genocide?

Jews are not being currently genocided, Zionists are currently genociding Palestinians. So I feel like that's what is most valid to focus on.

It seems like most of the "antisemitism" that appeared out of nowhere in the last couple months is just a renewal of an IDF troll campaign. The warmongering Zionists get their trolls to beat the "antisemitism" gong whenever they are starting to look bad in the press.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 1 year ago (10 children)

If you want to be pedantic about what NATO was called when the same members were just the allied forces then idk if we can talk about this in good faith.

... Jesus fucking Christ.

Israel was not 'given land' by 'the allied forces'.

It seems like most of the “antisemitism” that appeared out of nowhere in the last couple months is just a renewal of an IDF troll campaign.

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (9 children)

It was the allies who gave the land to the Zionists.

The Haavara Agreement ... enabled Jews fleeing persecution under the new Nazi regime to transfer some portion of their assets to British Mandatory Palestine.[2] Emigrants sold their assets in Germany to pay for essential goods (manufactured in Germany) to be shipped to Mandatory Palestine.[3][4] The agreement was controversial and was criticised by Revisionist Zionist leader Ze'ev Jabotinsky and by some non-Zionist Jews, as well as by members of both the Nazi Party and the German public.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

We can see the landgrab was even unpopular with non-Zionist jews at the time.

Dude you gotta chill. Palestinians are being erased, and Jews are not. It's really as simple as that.

Supporting Zionists does not help Jews. And pretending any antisemitism happening against Zionists is as bad as the erasure of the Palestinian people is intentionally ignoring the ongoing atrocities to clutch pearls.

Zionists and Isralis don't get sympathy from me while committing the worst war crime possible.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 1 year ago (8 children)

It was the allies who gave the land to the Zionists.

Emigrants sold their assets in Germany to pay for essential goods (manufactured in Germany) to be shipped to Mandatory Palestine.

Are you... did you not read what you literally fucking quoted? Not only is that not 'the allies', but rather independent Zionist orgs making a deal with Nazi Germany, but it's not giving land, and it's not post-WW2 like you claimed.

Dude you gotta chill. Palestinians are being erased, and Jews are not. It’s really as simple as that.

Oh, okay, since Palestinians are being genocided right now, we can call for a little genocide of Israelis, as a treat.

Supporting Zionists does not help Jews. And pretending any antisemitism happening against Zionists is as bad as the erasure of the Palestinian people is intentionally ignoring the ongoing atrocities to clutch pearls.

"Please don't advocate for genocide or antisemitism"

"Oh, so you think the current situation for ZIONISTS is just as bad as the ongoing Palestinian genocide???"

...

Zionists and Isralis don’t get sympathy from me while committing the worst war crime possible.

Yes, it's increasingly apparent that you're quite willing to tolerate calls for genocide as long as the 'other side' committed genocide first.

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (7 children)

When I can post literal quoted history and you aren't capable of internalizing that it makes me feel you aren't interested in a serious conversation about this.

What was the group that forced Germany to pay reperations?

Cmon say it with me, the allies!

FFS you are crashing out my dude.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

When I can post literal quoted history and you aren’t capable of internalizing that it makes me feel you aren’t interested in a serious conversation about this.

What was the group that forced Germany to pay reperations?

In the quoted and cited incident, as I pointed out, there were no 'allies' who made Germany pay anything.

In the postwar situation, no one made Germany pay reparations to anyone involved in this situation we are discussing except the survivors of the Holocaust, and those reparations had nothing to do with the land of Israel, which was under the British Mandate of Palestine.

FFS you are crashing out my dude.

Jesus fucking Christ.

I'm sorry for having an understanding of the recent history of the region instead of some bizarre fucking fever dream.

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Do you think Germany would have voluntarily stopped WW2 and voluntarily made reperations all on their own?

No. That's literally Revisionist history.

Don't be ignorant on purpose

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

Do you think Germany would have voluntarily stopped WW2 and voluntarily made reperations all on their own?

No. That’s literally Revisionist history.

Don’t be ignorant on purpose

what the ever-loving fuck does that have to do with the foundation of Israel and Zionists acquiring land in Palestine

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If you want to learn the history of Zionism:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lovers_of_Zion

The founders of modern Zionism started the ideology with the stated goal of reposessing the holy land that was promised to them by god.

This group of rich Russian and Austrian jews were able to place themselves at the table during the reperations process after WW2, they then convinced the Allied forces to give them the british owned land in the reigon, and they have been expanding their boarders ever since.

This is human history, verifiable.

Please for your own sake stop frothing and start reading Wikipedia articles.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This group of rich Russian and Austrian jews were able to place themselves at the table during the reperations process after WW2, they then convinced the Allied forces to give them the british owned land in the reigon, and they have been expanding their boarders ever since.

Jesus fucking Christ.

Please for your own sake stop frothing and start reading Wikipedia articles.

For fuck's sake, please read up on the history of the British Mandate, including the fucking Balfour Declaration, before making insane fucking statements about Zionists being given Israel by the Allies after WW2.

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_for_Palestine

So the mandate was created after WW1, not 2, with the purpose of giving jewish people a national homeland and having a bunch of European countries control the reigon for 3 decades until they let it expire and let the Jews and Palestinians sort it out with each other.

On the last day of the mandate, the creation of the State of Israel was proclaimed and the 1948 Arab–Israeli War began.My partner is plural so she's taught me a lot about how people see and present their own consciousness.

So the allied forces colonized the reigon for Zionists to move in and take land that was being owned by other people, and then shugged their shoulders and walked away...

You're not making a case here for the Zionists.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 1 year ago

You’re not making a case here for the Zionists.

I'm not trying to make a case for the Zionists, I'm pointing out that your idea that "NATO" or "The Allies" 'gave land' to Israel because they 'felt bad' about the Holocaust is absolute nonsense.

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