Edited to add - To be clear for anyone, it's Oligarchs/Billionaires paired with rampant, unfettered corporate greed. (at least in my view)
Someone reminded me that I was using dogwhistle parlance in my use of they which may have suggested otherwise.
Here are some visual aids to accompany my clarification:
Society works exactly as expected for the capitalists. At the end of the day we're only dollars to them.
Often both political parties answer to capitalist with Representatives that are also capitalists with absolutely no way to force them to answer to the people.
It's time to let this system go and switch to something new. Electoralism will not save us.
Time to do a socialism.
I think literally any type of socialist system will be better than what we have 😮💨
Yes, litterally, "good things are better than bad things."
Man, fuck all that. "Socialists" just let authoritarians into power who then never let go. Your revolution will just leave a warlord in a Che shirt.
Democratic governments with strong social safety nets and robust middle classes are consistently capitalistic. Do you have an example otherwise?
edit: 20 minutes, four downvotes, and zero examples otherwise.
edit: maybe I've blocked 10 authoritarian tankies that I cannot read their replies. Hmm.
... and the Zapatists then? The Spanish Republic? The Makhovivschna?
Democratic communism is not only achievable, it has been done. And the issue is that often, capitalists seek to crush it the moment they can. So we must protect each other.
Tiny. Hardly a success. Those guys were kinda cool.
Like we aren't already living in an authoritarian hell hole where the government doesnt represent the will of the people.
Democratic governments have a strong safety net? Really? Better tell then nearly a million homeless in the richest country in the world that they have better social nets then china, cuba, USSR which all guaranteed a home for everyone to live in. Hell there is still a guarantee in the Russian constitution which is better then non-acknowledgement of the US.
Did you notice how the global south is still poor and has major issues and just about every fucking country is a Democratic government?
Calling Che Guvera a dictator is hilarious since he died fighting for Revolution in Bolivia after he helped free Cuba from the US imperialist grip. Definitely the actions of a power hungry dictator that already won power in an island nation.
You still haven't done any fucking reading. Could you stop with the fucking NATO, imperialist propaganda please. If you aren't then at least get more informed. Your embarssing to all the other boot lickers.
Edit:
Cuba has a strong protections for its people and a growing economy due to trade with the BRICS alliance.
China has uplifted millions out of poverty before capitalism was introduced in the 1990s
Rojava is doing well for itself considering its location in northern Syria.
Wow. Where to start?
Like FDR.
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No, I call Che Guevara a silly commie.
lol
Gee I wonder what happens to the line "Capitalism lifted millions out poverty" when you take out China. 🤦
Notice how we don't have FDR style protections anymore and haven't since the 1970s? Doesn't count if it doesnt exist anymore. The only places those safety nets exist is in the Scandinavian countries and those protections are the result of the Second International which was a Communist organization.
Che Guevara is a commie so I guess I don't actually have a problem with that. But a commie warlord would actually idolize Mao. Learn your communist figures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index?wprov=sfla1
71 countries in the global south are considered democratic by the West. Thats a full 45% of them including places like Argentina, Brazil, Chile. Notice how all of these countries have issues that are already solved in the US? Notice how having a Democratic government in place didn't create safety nets. Notice how these place dont have a safety net.
Sorry what was that about socialist countries solving or having similar problems that "Democratic governments" still haven't solved themselves?
China is capitalism with a red flag, and so is Cuba, and so was the USSR. All failed projects that just returned back to capitalism. The fact you're trying to argue this shit while coming from lemmy.ml is hilarious. We all know your actual alignment.
China didn't lift anyone out of poverty. Just like capitalists, they just lowered the poverty threshold. They're currently oppressing their workers with massive work hours, no choice to join any union that isn't the government's, and they still have billionaires.
China is not and will never be socialist. You're a capitalist with a hammer and sickle.
Theoretically China is what they call "communism with Chinese characteristics". Many Marxist still regard China as socialist, generally it's only libtards that have this opinion. For instance the real estate bubble in China would have been catastrophic for any Western democratic government. In China they just nationalized the company is that we're failing and forgave all their debt. Now they don't have to worry about those companies again since they were nationalized. Point to an example of a capitalist country that nationalized industry like this.
Cuba is definitely a socialist state and has not returned to capitalism. If they had returned to capitalism the us would have lifted sanctions because the Cuban bourgeoisie would be able to return and try to reclaim "their lost wealth". They consistently hold referendums for the public to vote on how to organize the National Industry. In fact they're probably the closest thing to a successful socialist project in the western world. Down to and including having democratically elected leaders that can be recalled.
Last I checked that's not something that happens in the western world. Few countries have nationalized resources and practically none of them allow people to vote on how those nationalized resources are used.
BACK IN YOUR CAGE, TANKIE!
blocked, in case you can't tell.
Hey that's the first smart thing you said all week.
It'd be better if you just stop responding to my comments but hey you're the one that wants to pick a fight so I'm more than happy to play your stupid game.
Also be better if you just block me in the first place. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.👋
That's funny because primary turnout is generally appalling, and still bad in general elections.
Oh so you have a magic switch that's going to make everybody come out and vote right?
Because a ton of people have been burned by already trying to vote to fix the system That does not want to be fixed.
Oh so your magic switch is a new party in a fptp system or revolution? Good luck with that.
So why make a comment about voter turnout when voter turnout has never been good in a country where the government does not represent the will of the people.
Good luck trying to get all the apathetic people who have been screwed so so much by the system that won't help them to vote.
That's for sure going to be easier than talking to people about the reason why our system sucks and building a new one. 🤙
Yeah people that can't be assed to vote are going to create a whole new system.
Good luck. Maybe fine tune nuclear fusion while youre at it.