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[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 33 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

A 7% interest rate doesn’t help

[–] LilB0kChoy@midwest.social 15 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

We bought in 2020 and have a 2.875% rate on our mortgage. We only put 10% down and had PMI but the broker was all, "you can refinance to get rid of that".

I asked him when in the world we'd ever be able to refinance at or below that rate? He had nothing to say to that.

[–] JordanZ@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Just FYI there are stipulations to removing PMI from a mortgage but refinancing usually isn’t one of them. Each situation is unique though. FHA and VA loans are different, etc.

[–] LilB0kChoy@midwest.social 5 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

You are incorrect.

As the house value increases with the market you can refinance to a new lender with greater equity eliminating the need for PMI.

You can wait for PMI to cancel automatically, request early cancellation, get a reappraisal or refinance the mortgage to get rid of it.

[–] Zerlyna@lemmy.world 14 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

I had two houses at that interest rate in the 2000’s. The wage to house price was still reasonable then. Made $40k, paid $88k for a 3/2 in middle class suburban Tampa. I’m making 30% more now but houses are 400% more.

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 14 points 19 hours ago

Not on top of the wild overvaluation.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 13 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

While true, I would point out that the low mortgage rates that increased housing prices


low mortgage rates permit people to borrow more and tends to drive up prices


in the decade-and-a-half before 2022 was unusual for the US. Prior to about 2008, interest rates were at or higher than they are today.

Here's a graph of the 30-year fixed-rate mortgage rate:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MORTGAGE30US

Here's the Case-Shiller Home Price Index. This measures same-home prices


that it, it attempts to factor out changes in types of home being built, so new homes being larger won't drive it up.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CSUSHPISA

It's not adjusted for inflation, though.

Here's an inflation-adjusted graph:

https://www.longtermtrends.net/home-price-vs-inflation/

Between about 2011 and 2022, the real price of a given house rose rapidly in a low mortgage rate environment. In 2022, mortgage rates returned to something that's more historically-normal.

I expect that to sell a house in this environment, a homeowner will probably have to cut what they're asking.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago

Now combine them both and do average monthly payment.

Even with higher prices, lower interest rates mean lower monthly costs