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If "winning" means electing people to represent me who then go on to co-sign a genocide I would rather lose and be done with the charade.
Both candidates are zionist, The outcome is the same. Republicans are architects of the final solution, but Democrats would willingly participate as long as it polled well and was spread out on a manageable timeline that was not too visible.
"Israel couldn't do it if the Houthis weren't suppressed!"
Fucking lol.
Congratulations, you get your wish. Now millions more people will be murdered, including millions more Palestinians. Congratulations on being an even bigger Palestinian genocide supporter than Joe fucking Biden! It's no small achievement, so if you want, I can find you a sticker to wear proudly, if you like.
Love the scattershot reply to a simple statement. Keep beating that dog, it'll come to you eventually.
the point is that they deployed multiple carrier strike groups to protect shipping to Israel, that's pretty direct support. The attacks have been making an impact.
"to protect shipping to Israel"
Golly gee, it's sure a good thing that shipping to Israel is what the Houthis have been targeting all this time, right?
... r-right...?
The Houthis are Iranian proxies whose primary concern is serving Iranian foreign policy interests in disrupting international trade that has very little to do with Israeli shipping and resulted in fucking Egypt sending forces along because of how damaging its been to trade through the Suez Canal (very little of which goes to Israel).
Not only that, but by your own argument, the Houthis aren't suppressed, which raises the fucking question of why Israel seems to be carrying on with its genocide unimpeded (PROTIP: it's because the Houthi blockade targeting random ships in international waters in order to disable the least important of Israel's ports is not actually all that important to Israel except in delivering an easy PR win to Israel)
Even more astounding is that the Houthis are, themselves, literally genocidal, yet they get unabashed bootlicking from supposed leftists over costing Israel a few billion dollars. How many billions of dollars more, do you think, will Trump be giving Israel compared to Harris? But apparently, critical support for pro-genocide lunatics who reduce Israel's budget by a few meager bil only counts for the Iranian proxies, and not the anti-fascist coalition candidate.
At this point the US is the greater evil, I don't care about demonizing its enemies.
Multiple US aircraft carriers were sent to protect Israels least important port from the second-poorest country in the region. Under Biden.
Yes, because you elected the literal Nazis! Soon, they'll be executing LGB folk just like holsum critically supported Iran and the Houthis do!
To protect international trade, since the Houthis have targeted very few Israeli or Israel-bound ships, instead cratering shipping along the Red Sea entirely. But hey, at least they had a nice little excuse for 'leftists' like you to bootlick them while they murder LGBT folk and starve out dissidents! Golly gee, wouldn't it be terrible if you were supporting some fascist group like Israel? Good thing you'd never do that, right?
Oh no, cratering international shipping and hurting free trade opposing a genocidal settler state 🎻
I'm an anarchist lol why do you think I would care about free trade
Nothing like increasing the price of goods and starving some folk in third world countries to show the Israelis who's boss (by giving them a rounding error in their budget) 😊
Apparently you don't give a shit about genocide or executing LGBT folk either.
It took several months of several carrier groups as well, don't forget. They're just doing what they're capable of, which is clearly not enough to warrant that level of response.
That's literally what Israel is doing with multiple US aircraft carriers and endless ammunition supporting it. I oppose Israel because I'm directly implicated in that one. Just because I want to see Israel and the US lose doesn't mean I approve of everything their enemies do, per the original quote from you about 'popular front'
Except the carrier groups haven't managed to suppress the Houthis or restore trade. There isn't an 'intensification' of the Houthi campaign possible; they've already squeezed the Red Sea trade route to the point where most shipping just avoids it. They've maxed out - this is the limit of their contribution. But hey, anything to keep simping for fascists who murder LGBT folks, right? As your friendly neighborhood Houthis say on their fucking flag, "A Curse Upon The Jews"!
So you're willing to forgive genocide and murdering LGBT folk in one case, but not the other. Wow, it's good that you're so principled, it would be really awful if you were some kind of hypocrite who, furthermore, managed to support things getting worse for everyone while claiming it was some kind of principled stand!
I wasn't being asked to vote for the Houthi though was I? They aren't being directly funded by my taxes like the US government and by association Israel.
They're just acting in opposition to our terrorist settlers, my support of their opposition doesn't extend to every action they take, quoting you:
Supporting enemies of the US and Israel is following the same principles as supporting the enemies of Nazi Germany without necessarily approving of everything they do.
"It's okay to lick boots as long as I don't vote for them!"
Me, personally, I might find expressing moral support for genocide and the murder of LGBT folk more repulsive than casting a vote for the lesser of two evils, but I guess I'm not 'pure' enough to understand that voting is a love letter, while love letters are... just good praxis...?
The whole problem with this though is, as I pointed out, you're claiming a principled stand against lesser evilism and common foes in one case, while supporting it in another case - a case which you have much less reason to support, and much less influence. One might be tempted to think you actually have no principles, and are operating purely on some weird internet circlejerk tribalism like most campists.
You are a campist who has chosen camp 1.
Both candidates are zionist, The outcome is the same. Republicans are architects of the final solution, but Democrats like you would willingly participate as long as it polled well and was spread out on a manageable timeline that the consequences were not too visible.
The sad part is that it didn't even poll well. The Democrats actually gave up voters to continue being Zionists.
Ah, yes, the super-leftist "We're all going to die" argument. There's no sense in having more time to fight fascism; what we REALLY need to do is roll over and let it happen. More genocide, as fast as possible! That's what TRUE leftists like you do, right? 😊
How is spending another 4 years at brunch while Gaza is turned into a parking lot suddenly fighting fascism? Democrats would be vindicated in their genocidal behavior and act like they were just savvy and correct.
You seem really fixated with painting yourself as an anti-fascist, while simultaneously attempting to browbeat people into voting for the Democrats, while they were openly participating in a genocide.
Having four years to fight against that mentality is a hell of a lot fucking better than turning Gaza into a parking lot now.
But like I said, you have the same mentality as the fascist ghouls you so eagerly enable - we're all going to die - so why not now?
I've been following the Israel-Palestine situation and US public opinion on it for as long as I've been political - ie as long as I've been in double-digits. US public opinion on Israel hasn't changed in a fucking decade of genocide, and not for three decades of genocide before that. The post-2023 situation was the first major shift in US public opinion on Israel in my fucking lifetime, and instead of trying to make the most of the shift, which was largely Dems voters shifting to 'qualified support' instead of 'unqualified support' purity-testing leftists, in the literal millions, decided to toss the election to the most pro-Israel ghoul America has ever had.
You had an opportunity to decouple the US from Israel. Instead, you decided to hand over the US to a fascist regime which will do anything for Israel. Great job.
Yes, under the same principles as WW2. I would probably be telling people that supporting the British Empire or the USA or the Soviet Union was non-negotiable despite all being imperialist genocidal states. But at least you would've had the smug satisfaction of declaring both sides were just as bad as the Nazis herded us into camps. You would've been the only TRUE anti-fascist of the lot, putting your thumb up your ass and refusing even the merest, most meager assistance to so-called 'anti-fascist' forces. :)
Trust me, my vote had zero impact on the election. Biden kicked more people off Medicaid than the number Kamala lost by, by like an order of magnitude. 25 mil unenrolled from Medicaid by "ending" COVID
It seems like a bit of a sideshow to be blaming leftists when the people doing the most damage to electoral Democrats were Joe Biden and his co-conspirators.
The only people tossing the election to the the fascists were the people literally in power at the time who decided that it was more important to protect Israel and "nothing will fundamentally change" than winning an election.
I support a popular front, it's why I am fine working with Marxists as an anarchist. Democrat politicians are not anti-fascist, at best they are collaborators, at worst active participants. Most Democrat voters who I run into in daily life are considerably less ride-or-die for Israel than their politicians.
I don't think that I will ever stop being amazed by Democrats blaming the people who voted against genocide, rather than blaming the party that chose to hand the election to Trump in order to continue genocide.
"Biden kicked off more people"
[the article literally outlines the Biden adminstration's attempts to stop Medicaid disenrolment by the states]
But hey, reading your own sources is a little too much effort! I mean, if you put in that kind of effort, what would be next? Voting AGAINST Nazis? Perish the thought!
Golly gee, I wonder why I might blame people who opted to let literal Nazis win in order to worsened a genocide they supposedly oppose??
It must be some kind of sideshow, just a paltry two million or so votes, nothing that would swing an election, lol
How is an election won, by the way?
Is it by the performance of the parties locked in aristocratic struggle with one another?
... or is it by the votes of the electorate?
You don't have to answer, I know it makes you uncomfortable to think about how voters might have a responsibility to prevent literal Nazis.
So exactly as I said - you'd sit with your thumb up your ass and let the Nazis genocide everyone they wanted, because opposing Nazis is too much of a burden on your poor wittle soul.
yeah because they'll spin anything, Biden was fucking president he could have just said "oh no there's actually still COVID, keep everyone on medicaid"
The people who were in power are the only ones to blame for their own loss. You are a cynical operator though, so keep on blaming everyone except those losers. Maybe it will work one of these times.
If you don't do heinous evil shit maybe people will vote for you. simple as. The Biden/Harris admin decided that levelling Gaza was more important than winning.
weirdly sexual comment but ok
once more, this is on the Democrats for their incompetent governance. They refused to do anything meaningful to stop Israel, refused to do anything slightly meaningful economically because the parliamentarian said no, and we all get to pay the price.
Holy fucking shit.
This is a Republican level take on the powers of the President. Fox News level understanding of civics. Christ.
"The people in power weren't entertaining enough for me to vote against murdering minorities!"
Bravo.
Apparently not, considering who you lot decided to elevate to power!
Sitting with your thumb up your ass is a common idiom. Like, you know, 'touch grass'.
I love that I say you wouldn't have opposed the Nazis in WW2 because the Allies were all imperfect, and your only response is "Well, the Dems are REALLY imperfect!"
So literally affirming my accusation. Jesus Christ.
Damn straight I'm for a unitary executive giving everyone healthcare and housing
The people (who were) in power were too complicit for me to view them as serious opposition.
I will take your word for it. Still seemed like a weird comment.
Are you able to even criticize the democrats? All you seem to do is rage about people who aren't as genocidal as you are.
Like I said, you're a cynical operator, obviously nothing is going to change your mind.
And I'm for everyone getting a pony at Joe Biden's expense, that doesn't mean it's a realistic policy proposal.
Maybe next you can ask your local mayor to stop the genocide in Israel, as long as we're having takes completely divorced from the power of the offices as they stand now.
Cool, now you get very serious fascism.
I have extensive criticism of the Dems and regularly post it - unfortunately, I don't asspat people who support Nazis, which apparently makes me Hillary Clinton Incarnate or something.
How ironic.
Weird how that criticism doesn't extend to their complicity in an extremely public genocide. Rather than reflect on that loss you blame people who were literally nowhere near being in power because your preferred mass murderer lost.
I'm not the one running a snark comm about communists and claiming to be 'anti-fascist'
I literally have criticized Dems, numerous times, for supporting Israel. But that doesn't fit your need to absolve yourself of supporting Nazis.
I'm sorry, do you think that committing genocide on Ukrainians, Poles, Crimean Tatars, Koreans, and Uyghurs is leftism or something? I knew I was talking to someone who was willing to sit by and welcome in Nazis, but I didn't realize you were an active genocide denier.
You are the one trying to get everyone to vote for your preferred genociders, I'm just a bystander 😇
Yep, like all the other good Nazis in Germany from 39-45.
I'm the one going to the camps at this rate, tyvm.
Yep, just like the conservative Jews who insisted that Hitler 'wasn't that bad' and that him winning might teach the other parties a lesson.
But until the camps? Like you said. You're just a bystander. Doing nothing, not even the least exertion that children fresh out of fucking high school do, in order to stop literal Nazis.
You never seem to be able to land a hit unless it's against a straw woman you've set up.
I'm sorry, are you changing your story or something?
We have no popular vote in the US. I voted against trump, but not for the Democrats, because the result in my state was a forgone conclusion. You said that I should side with the democrats because it's important to have a popular front vs fascism, I pointed out that in this equation the US/Israel and the democrat/republican genocide coalition is the greater evil to be opposed by the rest of the world.
And you just gave power to the greater evil. Like being offered a choice between Lenin and Stalin, and picking Stalin. Good job! Genocide for everyone!
But don't worry, it wasn't your fault! You 'just' sat by as a fascist swearing to do as much genocide as possible was ushered into power, all whilst licking the boots of other genocidal LGBT murdering fascists because... you like that they took far less money away from Israel than those nasty Democrats would have...?
Both candidates are Zionist, the outcome is the same. Republicans are architects of the final solution, but Democrats would willingly participate as long as it polled well and was spread out on a manageable timeline such that the slaughter of undesirables was not too visible.
My vote literally had no impact on this, no matter how much you wish it did.
Oh, so now you're in bot mode, literally copying and pasting your previous comments. I guess we're done, now that we've hit your loop to avoid having to worry yourself by having an independent thought about something said outside of your online bubble?
I'm certainly not going to bother rehashing a point I've already made, just because you seem intent on re-litigating it.
here have another one: