InternetCitizen2 comments on Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was!

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Also there are plenty of these organizations that exist that don’t use government help because they’re unable to get it

Remember in other comments where I said that we would have more room for our movements if we take elections seriously? Its nice that you are privileged and can ignore elections, but there are plenty who cannot. Non-citizens looking for a better life and ex-cons who are trying to rejoin society come to mind.

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[–] dastanktal@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Remember where I said we will never take elections seriously unless people local organize which should be the primary goal?

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[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

I didn't say that elections are the only thing we work on.

I said we will never take elections seriously unless people local organize which should be the primary goal?

contradictory statement. Elections are part of the organization. So you will never organize because you will never organize? Neat, tankies are not serious people.

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[–] dastanktal@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Remember when you said that electoralism is one of the most important fronts in the battle of the class war?

Now it's local organization? Stretching definitions much

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[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

Remember when you said that electoralism is one of the most important fronts in the battle of the class war?

It is.

Now it’s local organization? Stretching definitions much

And there are also local elections. There are state elections too. I want people to have freedoms beyond my city, beyond my state, and I can give them some help by voting in state and federal elections. Like I said its nice that your privileged position allows you to comparably ignore this, but there is a material reality to this. De-segregation happened at the federal level. The troop deployments to enforce that was at the federal level. Many other things are local.

And guess what, I never said to stop volunteering at food banks or to teach the youth academics or sports. Elections are one, very important, front in the class war. And you are only being asked to show up every now and then for an evening. And that is too much for you and your fellow "socialists"? I doubt you do much locally if a comparatively small time wise activity with high probability of impact is too much of a burden.

Don't worry. I understand its hard for the privileged to see beyond themselves.

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[–] dastanktal@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

As I said there are many organizations that took this route of electoralism being the most important front of the class or one of the most important fronts of the class war.

In most cases it only delayed the inevitable fall to facisim. See 1920's Germany for an example of this strategy used and failed to protect the minorities.

I want people to have freedom beyond the government and to actually affect change in the government. Neither thing that can be done via electoralism.

Don't worry I understand how hard it is for liberals to let go the concept of electorlism being a major front for the class war. Its not. It takes time to undo the many many many years of US propaganda though that teaches this to us.

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