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You could look at him removing the digital services tax and negotiating with the US as anti-Canada things he’s done
Despite him saying he’s looking out for Canada
Hopefully the DST comes back next week!
One could look at it like that, but I do not see why they would. Can you explain why one would see it that way?
Not the other guy, but I've been disappointed so far. For a PM elected, almost entirely, based on taking a firm stance against the US, he hasn't taken that approach.
Now maybe there's more going on behind the scenes, and the final agreement hasn't come out, but I've been disappointed with what's been publicized. I'm open to my view changing, but believing that conciliation works with bullies, or that any agreement is worth anything (considering Trump ripped up deals he previously wrote in his last term) is ridiculous.
It would be naive to think there isn't.
This doesn't sound like what you are describing, and seems firm considering how dangerous of a situation this is.
This sounds like the Government has other plans for when Trump talks fall through. Which has been being worked on over the last few months. From trade to arms procurement there is a lot of diversification efforts happening across governments.
There is a lot going on and the focus doesn't really seem to be getting something from the US anytime soon.
The question was what has Carney done (or not done) that he said he would (or would not) do.
He was elected on a strong, elbows up approach. So far, he has capitulated on the DST without us seeing any gain or concessions from that. And no, returning to the bargaining table does not count.
Not suspended the DST pending an agreement, but rescinded fully. My point is that he has not taken the firm stance I expected of him.
What do you expect him to do, as in, what does a "firm stance" look like to you?
Its not hard to say "were willing to play ball, provided this leads to an agreement".
I'm not opposed to dropping the DST, I'm opposed to dropping it rather than suspending it so trump will come talk at the table.
Trump says "No further negotiations if the DST goes through"
I am asking you specifically, what does a firm stance look like to you in that situation?
What are the consequences of that stance?
I don't know how to be clearer for you.
A hard stance looks like this:
"Canada values its strong partnership with the United States and acknowledges the concerns raised over our proposed DST. In a show of good faith and commitment to reaching a balanced trade agreement, we are suspending the DST indefinitely.
However, if a mutually acceptable agreement cannot be reached, Canada reserves the right to implement the measure as planned. Our goal remains a fair and forward-looking solution that supports a level playing field for all."
Thus we reached trumps goal - DST doesn't move forward or go through. It stays exactly where it is, but its not a concession for nothing, and makes it clear that the DST remains part of the negotiations.
What information do you have that says we won't institute the DST in the future if no deal is reached?
What proof you have he will? He has given no indication of it, and it is currently canceled.
"To support those negotiations, the Minister of Finance and National Revenue, the Honourable François-Philippe Champagne, announced today that Canada would rescind the Digital Services Tax (DST) in anticipation of a mutually beneficial comprehensive trade arrangement with the United States."
https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/news/2025/06/canada-rescinds-digital-services-tax-to-advance-broader-trade-negotiations-with-the-united-states.html
Seems that the rescinding of this legislation is tied to a "mutually beneficial and comprehensive trade arrangement" demonstrating that the DST is not currently completely off the table. In fact, the legislation to rescind it hasn't been tabled yet.
"The June 30, 2025 collection will be halted, and Minister Champagne will soon bring forward legislation to rescind the Digital Services Tax Act."
What information do you have that says we won’t institute the DST in the future if no deal is reached?