He is good at saying the right things. Liberals in general aren't terrible at saying what people want to hear. When it comes to doing what they said, that's another story.
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Yeah, the semantics are already on display in what they're saying here. "a deal that will be in the best interest of Canadians" can be spun really easily.
"Yes, we bent over and spread our cheeks by removing a ton of protections in various industries, selling out those interests to Trump's whims... but securing lower tariffs on all other trade was in the best interest of Canadians in general"
"Yes, we capitulated on every point you mention, but a trade deal with the US is still better than no trade deal with the US, for the interests of Canada"
"Sure, we brought in legislation that lets us suppress Canadian's rights, so that we can allow US companies to ignore things like environmental concerns while they extract Canada's resources and sell them for US profit... but doing that's in Canada's best interest, compared to getting invaded/annexed".
It's just like how they scream elbows up! Let's avoid American control in our gov procurement! Except for Microsoft, or other tech giants, even though they're heavily implicated in the authoritarian shift down south... cause that'd be hard to change, and all our stuff is in their cloud already...
What has he said he was going to do that he hasn't done yet?
You could look at him removing the digital services tax and negotiating with the US as anti-Canada things he’s done
Despite him saying he’s looking out for Canada
You could look at him removing the digital services tax and negotiating with the US as anti-Canada things he’s done
Despite him saying he’s looking out for Canada
One could look at it like that, but I do not see why they would. Can you explain why one would see it that way?
Not the other guy, but I've been disappointed so far. For a PM elected, almost entirely, based on taking a firm stance against the US, he hasn't taken that approach.
Now maybe there's more going on behind the scenes, and the final agreement hasn't come out, but I've been disappointed with what's been publicized. I'm open to my view changing, but believing that conciliation works with bullies, or that any agreement is worth anything (considering Trump ripped up deals he previously wrote in his last term) is ridiculous.
"The Government of Canada will not accept a bad deal," Carney said in French in Huntsville, Ont., Tuesday. "Our objective is not to reach a deal whatever it costs. We are pursuing a deal that will be in the best interest of Canadians."
When it comes to the prospect of reaching a deal, Carney said "we'll see" and that "complex negotiations" continue. He said if there isn't a deal that works for Canada, his government will "take stock" and consider what to do next.
This doesn't sound like what you are describing, and seems firm considering how dangerous of a situation this is.
"I've had over 80 bilaterals with world leaders since I became prime minister. A number of the premiers have been on major trade missions. We have other things to do," he said.
This sounds like the Government has other plans for when Trump talks fall through. Which has been being worked on over the last few months. From trade to arms procurement there is a lot of diversification efforts happening across governments.
There is a lot going on and the focus doesn't really seem to be getting something from the US anytime soon.
I would argue this time Carney's comment is a worthless plattitude. You can sign anything and claim it was the best deal for Canada.
What supports your argument?
The logic of what I just said.
I would argue this time Carney’s comment is a worthless plattitude. You can sign anything and claim it was the best deal for Canada.
What does a good deal for Canada look like to you?
With the US? It has nothing to do with Canada and everything to do with the US honouring a deal, let alone a fair one based on reciprocity and mutual benefit.
Trump is a bad faith actor who is bound by no court, no law or Congress. There is no deal to be had. He won't honour anything. We are wasting our time.
All we can do is reciprocate. They want Tarrifs, let's fucking GOOOOOOO! Wherever it hurts. Oil, energy, materials and critical resources. In equal measure to what they do to us. We must undo the 35 years of NAFTA integration and stand on our own two feet.
No deal with amerika will be in the best interest of Canadians. Trump/Repubs are too greedy
We should just bill by the hour for negotiations and have a signing fee. They probably won’t even think it’s odd.
The agreement will be fucked with either way so may as well.
The agreement will be ~~fucked~~
Worthless. There is no deal to be had with Trump. He is a bad faith actor not bound by honour, credibility, a supreme court, the rule of law or Congress.
There is literally no point in negotiating anything. Whatever agreement that is signed, won't be honored.
We're going to learn this the hard way, again.
There is no deal to be had with Trump. He is a bad faith actor not bound by honour, credibility, a supreme court, the rule of law or Congress.
There is literally no point in negotiating anything. Whatever agreement that is signed, won’t be honored.
I have to agree. What's the point of "negotiating" with a criminal fraudster? He literally changes his mind more than he changes his underwear. There is no "deal" or "contract" or "agreement" with him.