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Well, we have the fucking camps opening. Luckily, plenty of terminally online leftists are ready to tell us how noble and moral not voting was! (europe.pub)
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[–] [S] -4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I don't give a fuck about apologies, I want this not to happen again; and considering that numerous commenters in this very comment section are openly praising abstaining in the face of literal Nazis as a moral activity and being highly upvoted for it, quite clearly not only is it not a 'strawman' but a real phenomenon, but prevailing opinions on this very leftist community is that it SHOULD happen again, which is a bit fucking dogshit for the millions of us who are in danger of losing our fucking lives for their masturbatory sense of purity

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    And I get that. But I also get not wanting to vote for someone who is willing to save you but not willing to save someone you think is also worth saving. That's a pretty large ask of someone morally. At what point do you stop blaming the people who's morals held them to too high a standard and start blaming the people who couldn't meet the bar of "don't support a genocide".

    Like, your really going to spend time,effort and soul into being mad at the guy unwilling to compromise on their morality for their own safety rather than the guys who can't stack up to what should be an easy ask?

    Just weird priorities brother. I get the harm reduction argument. I voted and whatnot. But the moment that election was over, I was way more mad at the folks who couldn't help but declare how much they won't budge on genocide instead of my friends and ideological comrades. At the end of the day it was those running the election who lost it.

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  • [+] [S] -6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    But I also get not wanting to vote for someone who is willing to save you but not willing to save someone you think is also worth saving.

    So you understand, then, why I feel disdain for these 'leftists' who weren't willing to save people I think were worth saving?

    At what point do you stop blaming the people who’s morals held them to too high a standard and start blaming the people who couldn’t meet the bar of “don’t support a genocide”.

    Holy fucking shit

    MORE THAN ONE ACTOR CAN BE GUILTY AT ONCE

    Like, your really going to spend time,effort and soul into being mad at the guy unwilling to compromise on their morality for their own safety rather than the guys who can’t stack up to what should be an easy ask?

    "An easy ask"

    A majority of the fucking Democratic Party electorate still supports Israel.

    "Just stop supporting Israel, national candidate whose hope is to win on an extremely narrow margin! It's easy!"

    Not only that, but fucking yes I'm going to be mad at the guy unwilling to compromise their own 'morality', and in doing so not only murder the people he claims to be doing it for (Palestinians) but also a whole host of other marginalized groups numbering in the literal fucking millions by projections in the first six months of this fucking Nazi regime, and what will probably end up in the tens of millions, if not more.

    If someone's 'morality' tells them to let Nazis win so they can virtue signal, their 'morality' isn't worth a good goddamn, and they're not much better than Nazis themselves.

    Just weird priorities brother. I get the harm reduction argument. I voted and whatnot. But the moment that election was over, I was way more mad at the folks who couldn’t help but declare how much they won’t budge on genocide instead of my friends and ideological comrades.

    See, that's exactly the problem. You're more interested in remaining friends and 'comrades' with people who enable literal Nazis, because changing your social circles would be uncomfortable. Your friends and 'comrades' couldn't help but declare how much they wouldn't budge on genocide - namely, that if they couldn't prevent one genocide, they preferred there to be numerous genocides, and the genocide they 'wanted' to prevent being expanded.

    This is the exact same shit that suburban liberals do with their conservative friends every time their conservative friends vote for Nazis. "Ohhh, I don't agree with their choice, but aren't there people more responsible???"

    No one who supports Nazis is my friend. No one who supports Nazis is my comrade.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Brother, I cannot express to you how weird it is that you so blatantly throw gazan lives in the "already dead pile, so not really apart of the conversation, except for those who want no dead people. Those are the real killers. Not the killers I want you to vote for. You practically voted for the killers I didn't want you to vote for!"

    Look brother. At the end of the day, we both voted for a genocidal regime. I took it as an unfortunate lesser evil choice that failed due to the lesser evil not being lesser enough on the evil.

    You sit here and argue some weird logical loop that somehow means you actually, the guy who voted for the genocidal regime, are somehow less culpable to that continued genocide than the person who couldn't condone that coming from their actions.

    It's weird. It's self righteous and I don't get it. You got off the hook. You don't get to see the genocide you voted for, you got a different one you didn't. But that doesn't absolve you and it doesn't absolve me. Eat it and move on with more productive things.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Brother, I cannot express to you how weird it is that you so blatantly throw gazan lives in the “already dead pile, so not really apart of the conversation, except for those who want no dead people. Those are the real killers. Not the killers I want you to vote for. You practically voted for the killers I didn’t want you to vote for!”

    I've explicitly, several fucking times, pointed out that the NAZIS WINNING MEANS MORE DEAD GAZANS THAN THE NAZIS LOSING.

    I'm sorry that's too difficult for you to parse?

    In other threads on this very topic - something which I could not expect you to know, but for demonstrative purposes - I have repeatedly pointed out that half the fucking reason that the protest vote and abstainers are so fucking ridiculous is because it wasn't "We're ready to enable the side that is against Palestinian genocide, even if they're worse than the Dems on ALL other issues" - that, at least, has a certain logic to it - it's that they said "We're ready to enable the side that is for making Palestinian genocide worse, AND is worse than the Dems on all other issues." with full knowledge that they are not offering any alternative.

    It's not single-issue voting. The single-issue is being tossed aside as worthless if it's not 'pure' enough. "If we can't save all Palestinians, we may as well save none". There's no strategy to it. NO ONE is fucking saved by this strategy, except a few Zionists and Nazis. MORE children in Gaza AND THE WEST BANK are going to be MURDERED by Zionist genocidaires with INCREASED US support and tax money PRECISELY BECAUSE OF THIS 'STRATEGY'

    You sit here and argue some weird logical loop that somehow means you actually, the guy who voted for the genocidal regime, are somehow less culpable to that continued genocide than the person who couldn’t condone that coming from their actions.

    The one who welcomed in a MORE genocidal regime whose expressly stated purpose was to give all possible aid to that genocide.

    Sorry you don't want to stop asspatting people who gave Israel everything they wanted? I understand it would be really inconvenient if you said something that hurt someone in your online bubble's feelings over them literally giving all possible aid to a fucking genocide because they wanted to virtue signal?

    Sorry that you think your own vote to minimize genocide is worse than your pals' inaction in support of literal fucking Nazis seeking to support that same genocide to the fucking hilt?

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