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Google just broke all third-party YT clients, including yt-dlp; a full JS implementation is now required. (github.com)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by to c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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So, starting now, Google started mandating full JS for YT, effectively breaking all third-party clients and locking the site to their official client.

This reeks of DRM.

UPDATE: Installing Deno and installing yt-dlp through PyPi fixes yt-dlp but the very idea that Google is mandating JS to lock down YT in an attempt at pseudo-DRM is still crappy.

UPDATE #2: inv.nadeko.net is working again for now.

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[–] 69 points 1 year ago (21 children)

invidious, yt-dlp, and freetube have broken so many times for me over the last 6 months, I've fallen out of the habit of using YT lately anyway.

It sucks because there is content there that I want but I'm not going to removed myself for it.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Thank you! Ffs, I was just sitting here thinking, I am not paying ticketmaster a damn dime, even if I have to miss my childhood heroes before they die. People removed themselves out and it fucks all of society constantly. Can't watch videos because of content monopoly, can't see a concert without getting fucked on exorbitant fees, can't go to the hospital because holy fuck, can't go to school without crippling debt, can't watch TV without supporting terrorists, etc. Like bloody hell the corpos have monopolized and ruined everything. They can go to hell. I'll play my shitty guitar, sing to myself, do home surgery, and go outside or stare at a wall. Fuck this shit!

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  • [–] [S] 20 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    You still have alternative platforms to Big Tech though, PeerTube and Odysee like have been mentioned umpteen times in this thread and on Lemmy at large, and not to mention Lemmy itself, and Mastodon, Pixelfed, and Bsky among others.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Bsky is just another VC financed grift though.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    You're probably right, but I'm not sure what the grift IS. Presumably they'll start rolling out ads at some point?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They’re still running on VC money so it’ll be a while. My guess: ads, selling user data, AI training on user behaviours, limiting what content is suitable (getting rid of NSFW), promoting corporate brands (so algorithmic advertising) and adding crypto in one way or another. And all the other tricks that older platforms have been doing.

    And probably burying the thought of distributed protocol, hoping people will stop talking about it.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Sure but they don't have the content and don't have staying power. If peertube became popular who is going to pay for the bandwidth.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

    Its users, in part because it uses web torrent which means the traffic of videos is shared peer-to-peer, thus the host doesn't have to pay for a lot of bandwidth.

    Also, just like mastodon servers are paid by its users for service I'm sure admins that build up a good reputation with their users or make them aware that they need more to pay for it will pay, or not and they'll just disappear which is really how the web should work, not all these tech oligarchs who have lots of money from exploiting their users and workers.

    Edit: Was incorrect, it uses HLS with P2P support:

    At the beginning of PeerTube, we only supported Web Video (previously known as "WebTorrent") streaming. Due to several limitations of the Web Video system, we had to add HLS with P2P support.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    I'm not an expert on these things but I just don't like the idea of web torrent.

    I do however, whole heartedly agree that video producers should pay for their own bandwidth, and be supported by users.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm not an expert on these things but I just don't like the idea of web torrent.

    How come?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    IDK really.

    I don't dislike it in a "this is terrible technology and no one should be doing it" kind of a way. Just in a "I feel a bit icky about this" kind of way.

    There must be privacy considerations right? Do I really want everyone to know what videos I'm watching?

    Also, do I really want my client to be providing n upstream connections grinding away at my battery?

    They've probably long since solved this I guess but in the early days firefox wasn't supported ?

    I just... don't feel like this is the solution to the cost of delivering content.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I was incorrect, it uses HLS with P2P support:

    At the beginning of PeerTube, we only supported Web Video (previously known as "WebTorrent") streaming. Due to several limitations of the Web Video system, we had to add HLS with P2P support.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I thought PeerTube ditched WebTorrent and switched full-time to WebRTC a while back.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Seems you are correct, I thought webtorent was the only way to have peer-to-peer video, but seems not:

    At the beginning of PeerTube, we only supported Web Video (previously known as "WebTorrent") streaming. Due to several limitations of the Web Video system, we had to add HLS with P2P support.

    That's pretty cool, thanks for the information!

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I removed myself out and pay for the family plan, but I have a good reason.

    My dad watches YT almost exclusively so I told him if he shared his password with me I can add him to my plan so he doesn’t see any ads. He fell for it. Now I login into his account ever so often and mark “not interested” on any red pill bullshit I see. It seems to be working.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I’m on iOS so my options are rather limited, but I’ve had decent luck using Brave. Is there anything that the others do that a browser wouldn’t?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't think Brave has any special magic that other browsers don't.

    My understanding is, all the workarounds in use recently work or fail depending on the IP address you have.

    I don't know anything about this change but it seems to simply require a JS engine in your client. Any browser has that, so the browser addons probably aren't effected by this change.

    However, it's clear that YT is waging an incremental campaign here. Today it's yt-dlp, next week... who knows.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Again, I think it’s mostly because it’s iOS - but Brave seems to be the only browser that allows both Picture-in-Picture and background play while also blocking ads.

    Both Safari and Firefox display ads, and struggle with PiP.

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