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[–] 21 points 1 year ago (15 children)

I doubt it'll actually go through.

They're clearly labeled "veggie", "vegitarian" or "vegan", and consumers understand those labels to mean, at minimum, no meat.

"Sausage", I can see how you could argue it has to contain meat to be called a sausage. I don't agree, but I can understand the argument being made.

"Burger", however. Is distinctly different than "hamburger", in fact, we often substitute the prefix to fit whatever it is. (Not that hamburgers are made of ham, i know it comes from hamburg) Such as, "fish-burger" or "chicken-burger", so why would "veggie-burger" be any more confusing than "fish-burger"?

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    "Sausage", I can see how you could argue it has to contain meat to be called a sausage.

    I don't; the defining feature of sausage isn't that it's meat, it's the fact that it's stuffed in a tube. If people want to grind up veggies and stuff them in a tube, why would that not be a veggie sausage?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    "Sausage", is a traditional name of minced meat stuffed into a sleeve, It exists in numerous cultures all over the world, and the principle is the same. So an argument could be made, that "Sausage" is inherently viewed as a meat product by default. And could be confusing for consumers.

    Again, I would also disagree with that argument, but that doesn't mean it can't be made. Just because we disagree with something doesn't mean it can't be made.

    I've never said something can't be a "Veggie sausage", like I said... It's clearly labeled "Veggie"

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's not just meat usually though.

    It's a mix of mostly meat, some flour or even vegetables (like onion) and seasoning. Sometimes you can even have cheesy sausages.

    Some sausages here are as low as 11% of meat. Then again there is "product that's comparable to meat" for a more significant portion, but rest flour and other things. You just can't call minced ligaments and fat "meat" here but anyway I think sausages are more about the way they're made and their shape than being made of meat

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I am well aware. You don't have to convince me of what I already think. I just said an argument can be made given the long lineage of the name "Sausage" and its respective local counterpart.

    Regardless. Just to be super clear. As far as I'm concerned, EU can fuck off with this one, it's not something that needs to be regulated on an EU level. Each member is perfectly capable of deciding themselves what can and can not be called "Sausage".

    This is just France trying to throw its weight around to appease their own farmers. Why they wanted to involve EU in it is beyond me.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Language is descriptive not prescriptive.

    If "veggie sausage" conveys what I mean, then it's perfectly acceptable language.

    The only reason there's even a question about this is because the meat industry is panicking.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    If its just "sausage" alone I think there is an expectation that it contains about 10% Legally Meatβ„’ though. Otherwise it should have some addition to its name to show it is something else.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Its not always clearly labeled tho. Last year my brother took me to a burger joint in Minneapolis and only after I thought the burger tasted very weird did I learn that it was an all vegan burger joint. Not complaining, but it should be clearly labeled what youre getting, IMO.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    It should always be the case, even for places serving meat products. Alpha-gal syndrome is on the rise due to exploding tick populations, so when a restaurant advertises "gravy" it would be nice to know what kind it is. Another frustrating one is sausages - so many poultry or veggie sausages still use pig-based casings and either ignore it completely or list the ingredient as "collagen" and expect people to understand what that implies (collagen casing is almost always pork).

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Cool so lets just put a label on anything that isn't vegan. Problem solved.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You're just making a really terrible, bad faith argument, for the sake of arguing, when the guy just wanted to share a situation where he was a bit confused as to what he was getting.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I would just enjoy having animal abuse products be labeled clearly but sure, you know me better than I know myself I guess?

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