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Imagine thinking this is a BAD thing.
The BSA wasn't Hitler Youth outright while I was in, but there is definitely a "God, Duty, Country" vibe that other scouting organizations around the world left behind or never adopted in the first place. Conservatives liked that, and they hated that they had been making a slow march towards more progressive and less nationalist policy that I bet only hastened after the sexual assault lawsuits bankrupted the national organization.
Hegseth is probably doing this to either pressure Scouting into regressing, or to weaken Scouting in order to spin up a Trump Youth later. There is no shortage of conservative dads unhappy with modern Scouting that would love either outcome.
Fuckinnn yikes. Gonna have to watch out for the shitler youth.
Yeah that's why I never really got into the scouts - it felt culty (not that I could articulate that back then.)
It was thick with MLMs and reactionary evangelicalism. Didn't hurt that the Mormon Church was heavily embedded in the national leadership.
Yup, there were a ton of stories about them kicking out atheists back when I was in it. Being reverent is part of the motto, and some troops took that seriously. Summer camps also had a mandatory religious service too attend. There were options, but you had to go to one of them.
God fucking damn, I am so glad I grew up in a NY suburb, sometimes.
I know from seeing videos of other Scout troops over the years compsred to my own experiences as a Scout that it really depends on the place and the people. All my troop leaders were moms, and it was more or less just after school activities to keep you from being idle and getting up to trouble out of boredom that were also educational.
We didn't do much of the "culty" things like pledges or whatever. We just did arts, crafts and went camping. Learned how to cook, sew, survive in the woods, first-aid, etc. 🤷♂️
Yeah same here. But I grew up on Long Island, NY, where at the time it was like 85% a blue region.
A lot of clubs feel culty, especially ones that have a behavioral component. There's a world of difference between Scouting and a real cult (like MAGA).
This was really dependent on your troop. My troop did that stuff in a “yada yada yada, anyway let’s go play outside” kind of way. Yes it’s in all of the official shit, but I think our troop was mostly an excuse for my scoutmasters to take us along camping with their buds. They did their thing, and we basically went around terrorizing everyone and everything.
Yeah, BSA was still real weird when I was in it (90's-very early 00's). The martial aspects, Christianity, and nationalism were sort of the assumed values. And there was a very disturbing I'll just say Neo-confederate Mormon flavor to the top level national organization. It was built by straight white conservative men so that their sons would have a safe space, in other words.
Pistol Pete will want to turn the Scouts into the MAGA Youth.
Imagine thinking it's true.
The Boy Scouts of America had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century by way of multiple sexual abuse scandals, a dwindling membership, and repeated bankruptcy.
This isn't DEI, it's a desperate appeal for more warm bodies in the program to shore up a dying movement.
It's BAD in the sense that Scouting has largely become (arguably always had been) an MLM run by and for the benefit of a few connected business savvy insiders. And drawing in more grist for the mill only delays the inevitable failure of this corrupt and sclerotic institution.
Could be worse: could be Girl Scouts.
Seriously though, if both Girl Scouts and "Scouting America" suck, is there some other alternative (short of not participating in a scouting-like organization at all)?
I have no idea if they are any better than the Scouts, but Campfire is the other big national one I'm aware of.
Adventure Scouts?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Quest?wprov=sfla1
Plenty. But then tend to be local and they vary in content. Houston has a number of programs run through the Children's Museum and the various universities (Rice, in particular) for aspiring engineers and nature lovers alike. The YMCA and the JCC both have youth programs for fitness and sports. Soccer is always popular.
How did we get here from the 90s?
Like I'm truly baffled
Propaganda
My wife and I often wonder at the difference between the world we grew up in (70s into 80s) and now. We call it "What a planet". Marveling at how that world could possibly have changed into this one.
It's trite, but true: unregulated capitalism is how.
The CIA's cocaine and crack fueled 90s. Seems on par to me.
But this is a fairly recent thing that Boy Scouts has become more inclusive.
My kids were just moving up when they were opening cub scouts. As a parent I thought it was great that it made it more family oriented. No one complained about the girls, no one complained that women were now able to run camping events, no one complained that there were entire families at camping events.
I have no idea how they approached it for Boy Scouts.
But the thing is, this is change, recent change. And change is scary. Regressives want to hold back change, even to a past more mythical than real
Can't let those girls think they're worthy. The inside MAGA secret is that women take more jobs from white men than immigrants do, and when they're done rounding up the immigrants, they'll be going after women's rights next. Say goodbye to the right to vote, ladies.
He needs to stop. Dude is always worried about young boys and how sexy military folks are.
hes always drunk so, you can take his word or not.
I mean, it’s kind of a bad thing when the literal whole point of Boy Scouts was to foster masculine qualities for boys. They had Girl Scouts for something else. And you could create a third Genderfree Scouts instead but no, they just got rid of Boy Scouts.
Ah yes the masculine qualities of camping in the woods. Helping out the community, and doing crafts. Wait...
Since when is messing around in the outdoors, helping out in the community, and making things masculine?
Can't wait to tell my mom she's a man! And I'll be sure to remind my dad who's a lot more of a homebody and enjoys making experimental deserts he shoulda joined the girlscouts...
Values are masculine and feminine as perceived by society not as a result of any inherent "energy". Let people do what they want and don't force labels down their throats.
When did I imply people shouldn’t do what they want? Ah yes, the classic ‘make up a thing to get mad about’ activity of keyboard warriors.
You’re basically being the “what is a woman?” guy. Masculinity and femininity can exist without being defined. Just let them be.
The 3rd coed scouts already existed. Venture scouts.