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Zelensky’s Government Sabotaged Oversight, Allowing Corruption to Fester (www.nytimes.com)
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[+] -10 points 10 months ago (18 children)

I don’t know man. This crap gives such ammunition to the “both sides are corrupt” argument. 

Do we really believe things in Ukraine would be better or even the same under Putin? What are we even talking about here?

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 10 months ago (17 children)

    I mean we can obviously see that things are far better in Crimea than anywhere in Ukraine right now. This isn't even debatable. Comparing Russia to the absurd levels of corruption in Ukraine is not a serious argument to make.

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  • [+] -7 points 10 months ago (13 children)

    Russia has been extremely corrupt for decades. Whatever weird made up world you are living in, come on back to reality. Even if Ukraine was the most corrupt country ever, bombing the shit out of the citizens is not the way you help. That's just murder. Even if things are somehow better in Crimea, you're comparing to a country being bombed by a larger country with more weapons and fighters. Crimea should not have been stolen in the first place. Help your neighbors, don't hypocritically murder their people.

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago

    Even if Ukraine was the most corrupt country ever, bombing the shit out of the citizens is not the way you help

    I don't know, they sure tried it in the eastern part of the country for 10 years

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 10 months ago (11 children)

    Russia is clearly nowhere near as corrupt as Ukraine given that Russia is actually able to run a functioning economy and a military. In fact, there's strong evidence to suggest that NATO is far more corrupt than Russia is given that Russia is single handedly outproducing all of the west militarily right now. Meanwhile, before yapping about Crimea, you might want to go read a history book for once in your life.

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  • [+] -13 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    I know the history, that doesnt excuse invading them at this point. Neither is what one.corrupt country sees as corrupt in another. Your arguments hold no weight. Nothing you said justifies murdering people in a neighboring country.

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    Nothing justifies Ukraine murdering its own people in its own country for the eight years before this war started.

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  • [+] -10 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Sorry can you point out the exact points in those that justify the murdering a bombing of people in a foreign nation? 2014 especially was a pretty messed up time, by I'm not sure I follow you as to what justification for murdering and bombing them is. Especially with new leadership. Please explain the murdering a bombing.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago* (5 children)

    NATO expansion:

     
    NATO in general:

    Especially with new leadership.

    Zelensky was a comedian groomed by oligarchs. He played a president on TV and then ran for president on TV. This was planned out in advance. Zelensky has never been in control because he was an actor in way over his head, beholden to US comprador oligarchs, and his life is openly threatened by high-level Banderite fascists should he get out of line. And he’s quite wealthy now, an oligarch in his own right. He’s in no way a “servant of the people;” that’s an act played by an actor.

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  • [+] -12 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    So Russia being as large and Powerful as they supposedly are can't perform diplomacy and has to murder and bomb people? I'm still not hearing any reason that Russia should be murdering people.

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  • [–] [S] 13 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Russia has been attempting to perform diplomacy with the west since before 2014. That's what Minsk agreements, which the west now admitted were meant to buy time to arm their regime in Ukraine, were supposed to be all about. Funny how you conveniently forgot about that.

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  • [+] -11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    And instead of continued diplomacy, they chose murder. Got it.

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  • [–] [S] 13 points 10 months ago

    Again, weird framing given that murder was started by Ukraine in Donbas. But I guess when facts don't fit with your narrative, you just ignore them. Quite telling that this is what you support.

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  • [+] -11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Can we tho?

    You’re so far off reality I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic.

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