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OpenWRT router (lemmy.world)
submitted 8 months ago by to c/selfhosted@lemmy.world
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I am looking for a router, and OpenWRT came up. I was looking at their table of hardware and the ASUS RT-AC3100 seemed like a good option, as its cheap used, (~$40 USD) and supported by the latest OpenWRT version.

Thing is, its EOL, per Asus. Does this mean that it won't be supported on OpenWRT for much longer?

Is there a way to see or estimate when a router will no longer work on OpenWRT?

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[–] 5 points 8 months ago (9 children)

FWIW I bought an N100 mini pc with 2 nics for ~100eur and use it as an openwrt router. It's so easy and simple IDK why more people don't recommend it.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    I mean, the mini PCs don't come with a managed switch, and often without good wireless connectivity that most home routers will come equipped with. So in total with Wi-Fi APs and a decent switch, definitely more than €100 in total.

    Also unrelated, but if you're running a x86 system with gigabytes of RAM, why not run Opnsense at that point?

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    As for opensense, I just like openwrt better. Also yeah sure I bought a dumb switch and a standalone access point (some zyxel also running openwrt) for an extra ~120eur total but that's a whole setup and it works quite well.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    Also unrelated, but if you’re running a x86 system with gigabytes of RAM, why not run Opnsense at that point?

    I believe it's gotten better but historically *BSD had poor SQM support (bufferbloat mitigation), which is particularly useful on slower, asymmetric connections and where low, consistent latency is paramount.

    It was also a bit of a laggard on Wireguard support, although that's long since been fixed. So mainly you might prefer OpenWRT if you want the Linux kernel which tends to get features more quickly. Also because it's so low on resource usage (including disk space), you can put it in a VM and very rapidly recover in the case of issues.

    You could of course also use a full Linux based router OS, but I don't believe there are many with a web interface, which most users would prefer.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago*

    Yeah, not having cake sqm is the one thing that will probably kill Opnsense as a choice for some people. That's not to say you cannot get excellent results with fq_codel, because you absolutely can (I actively use both OpenWRT and OPNSense on different network applications personally). It is definitely more work to get good results though. OPNSense's wireguard support has been excellent for a number of years now, and it's exclusively what I use for tunneling in a VPC I rent.

    If you're particularly constricted on host hardware and need a lightweight router to manage multiple other VMs on said host, I could definitely see the benefits of running a minimal OpenWRT over OPNSense in that case.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I have other issues with opnsense lately but it has some sort of bufferbloat mitigation that seemed good enough. On the 1000mbps from isp I get 0ms latency increase at the expense of like 100mbps, or 0ms average with some spikes with a 50mbps loss. Can it be done without any download reduction?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    It does depend on the connection type, but the general rule is not completely, barring some connection types like DSL. Given it sounds like you have Fiber, DOCSIS, or similar; you likely fall under the general rule. That said, you can absolutely tune and test above the typical 10-15% safety margin many guides start with without actually incurring any noticeable bufferbloat. The 10-15% is usually a good value for ISPs that fluctuate heavily in available babdwidth to the customer, but for more consistent connections (or for those that overrate high enough that the bandwidth fluctuations sit out of range for what the customer is actually paying for), you can absolutely get much closer to your rated connection speed, if not meeting or even passing it.

    The general process is to tune one value at the time (starting with the bandwidth allocations for your pipes), apply the changes, noting the previous value, and performing a bufferbloat test with Waveform's or others' testing tools. Optionally, (this will drastically slow down the process, but can be worth it) one should actually hammer the network with actual load for a good few hours while testing some real-world applications that are sensitive to bufferbloat. Doing this between tweaked values will help expose how stable or unstable your ISP's connection truly is over time.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    How is x86 openwrt? I've been on opnsense but my APs are openwrt and maybe I'm remembering wrong after a long time of not touching the management page but I could have sworn it used to detail what rate cables connect at and it doesn't seem to any more without unrememberable shell commands, and at some point my lan domains stopped working, among other minor annoyances I could also swear are new since my absence.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Pretty much the same as any other incarnation of openwrt, just without a lot of the compatibility headaches and weird installation processes that you typically have with other architectures. It's just install and forget pretty much.

    As for the link speed, you can just cat /sys/class/net/eth*/speed as with any other linux system. Not sure how your configurations stopped working or broke, maybe your storage got corrupted or something? Hard to tell, but I doubt openwrt caused it on its own, it sounds new to me.

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