▲ 525 ▼ Something to help lead people to the Fediverse (europe.pub) submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social to c/fedigrow@lemmy.zip 213 comments fedilink hide all child comments I modified a image I saw going around last year on Global Switch Day https://old.reddit.com/r/solarpunk/comments/1ijmkc0/make_the_switch_away_from_meta/ Perhaps we could use it to make people aware of Reddit alternatives etc. If you can imporve upon the image please do so, and feel free to use it. I just threw it together in KolourPaint in a few min.
[+] Psythik@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago (19 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] psycotica0@lemmy.ca 27 points 8 months ago (2 children) In this case piefed and lemmy are basically compatible, so the communities can have a mix of the two. For example, the OP posted this with piefed, and you replied to it with presumably lemmy. So it may divide up developer effort a bit, but the community isn't divided. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Psythik@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago (1 child) Well if that's the case, then I'm fine with it being a thing. I thought they were a competing and thus incompatible platform. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social [S] 5 points 8 months ago Nope that's the beauty of the Fediverse. I can reply to this from PieFed (as I'm doing now) and you can do from Lemmy. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 12 points 8 months ago (3 children) Just learned about Piefed. Why does it exist when we already have Lemmy, which alone is already too small for niche communities to pop up as-is? Because some people had ideological differences with some of the Lemmy Devs. So instead of using the software as it's supposed to be used, and simply defederating from instances they didn't like, they went and made their own software which effectively does the same thing as Lemmy. I guess I don't mind that there's diversity in the Fediverse ecosystem, but at the same time, I feel like the people most adamant about pushing Piefed are doing so, because they want to be in an ideological echo chamber, as opposed to actually furthering the cause of federated social media, and open-source software. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Skavau@piefed.social 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) Piefed does a lot of different things to Lemmy right now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago (1 child) And that's part of why I'm not necessarily opposed to the idea of more diversity in the Fediverse space. But I do take umbridge with a lot of the "why you should switch to Piefed" rhetoric being based in bizarre "Tankie triad" conspiracism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Agent_Karyo@piefed.world -1 points 8 months ago* But I do take umbridge with a lot of the “why you should switch to Piefed” rhetoric being based in bizarre “Tankie triad” conspiracism. "Stalin did nothing wrong and never killed millions!" "If you get killed by a brutal commie regime, that automatically makes you a counter-revolutionary who deserved it" From davel, an ML admin no less! permalink fedilink source parent [–] ButtDrugs@lemmy.zip 9 points 8 months ago (2 children) That's open source for you. The biggest issue for things gaining traction is a million projects that all do the same thing "better". Look at Linux, if people are curious about "switching to Linux" all it takes is one comment thread somewhere to confuse then enough to bail on the idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago That's more a community and presentation problem than a fragmentation problem. If people could agree on objective criteria for recommending Linux distros to newbies, it wouldn't be so intimidating to them. Nobody criticizes Ford or Toyota for having "too many options" when they sell cars because they present those options as complementary and people see the variety as a good thing. Linux distros are often presented as competing products, even though for most of them that's not the case. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Psythik@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] DannyMac@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago It doesn't fracture anything, it is basically a Fediverse reader/writer. It's like opening a txt file in vim, emacs, or nano, they all read and write to that file type at the end of the day. Don't forget, there's also Kbin. permalink fedilink source parent [+] RetroLemmings@retrolemmy.com -7 points 8 months ago (7 children) Because the Lemmy devs support genocide, love Stalin, and are transphobic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 months ago I miss the innocent days when I thought only right-wingers could be transphobic. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Psythik@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago* Oh. Oh no. permalink fedilink source parent [–] how_we_burned@lemmy.zip 1 point 8 months ago (3 children) Can you expand on this for a newbie? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] RetroLemmings@retrolemmy.com -2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children) The two devs Nutomic and Deslanies are pro-Russia anti-Ukraine tankies. One has a GitHub where he posts all his mind numbing theory and goes on about how the Uyghurs aren’t undergoing a genocide or Tiananmen Square never happened. The other has been caught multiple times making transphobic comments and just generally not giving a shit if transgender people are victims. Together with some other equally bad people they make up a trio of instances commonly referred to as the “tankie triad” (lemmygrad.ml, Lemmy.ml, and Hexbear.net) where they ban everyone who says critical things about Russia/China and generally push propaganda. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 3 points 8 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] how_we_burned@lemmy.zip 1 point 8 months ago So stay away from the “tankie triad” (lemmygrad.ml, Lemmy.ml, and Hexbear.net) Gotcha permalink fedilink source parent [+] Dayroom7485@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] psycotica0@lemmy.ca 27 points 8 months ago (2 children) In this case piefed and lemmy are basically compatible, so the communities can have a mix of the two. For example, the OP posted this with piefed, and you replied to it with presumably lemmy. So it may divide up developer effort a bit, but the community isn't divided. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Psythik@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago (1 child) Well if that's the case, then I'm fine with it being a thing. I thought they were a competing and thus incompatible platform. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social [S] 5 points 8 months ago Nope that's the beauty of the Fediverse. I can reply to this from PieFed (as I'm doing now) and you can do from Lemmy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago (1 child) Well if that's the case, then I'm fine with it being a thing. I thought they were a competing and thus incompatible platform. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social [S] 5 points 8 months ago Nope that's the beauty of the Fediverse. I can reply to this from PieFed (as I'm doing now) and you can do from Lemmy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social [S] 5 points 8 months ago Nope that's the beauty of the Fediverse. I can reply to this from PieFed (as I'm doing now) and you can do from Lemmy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 12 points 8 months ago (3 children) Just learned about Piefed. Why does it exist when we already have Lemmy, which alone is already too small for niche communities to pop up as-is? Because some people had ideological differences with some of the Lemmy Devs. So instead of using the software as it's supposed to be used, and simply defederating from instances they didn't like, they went and made their own software which effectively does the same thing as Lemmy. I guess I don't mind that there's diversity in the Fediverse ecosystem, but at the same time, I feel like the people most adamant about pushing Piefed are doing so, because they want to be in an ideological echo chamber, as opposed to actually furthering the cause of federated social media, and open-source software. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Skavau@piefed.social 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) Piefed does a lot of different things to Lemmy right now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago (1 child) And that's part of why I'm not necessarily opposed to the idea of more diversity in the Fediverse space. But I do take umbridge with a lot of the "why you should switch to Piefed" rhetoric being based in bizarre "Tankie triad" conspiracism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Agent_Karyo@piefed.world -1 points 8 months ago* But I do take umbridge with a lot of the “why you should switch to Piefed” rhetoric being based in bizarre “Tankie triad” conspiracism. "Stalin did nothing wrong and never killed millions!" "If you get killed by a brutal commie regime, that automatically makes you a counter-revolutionary who deserved it" From davel, an ML admin no less! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Skavau@piefed.social 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) Piefed does a lot of different things to Lemmy right now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago (1 child) And that's part of why I'm not necessarily opposed to the idea of more diversity in the Fediverse space. But I do take umbridge with a lot of the "why you should switch to Piefed" rhetoric being based in bizarre "Tankie triad" conspiracism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Agent_Karyo@piefed.world -1 points 8 months ago* But I do take umbridge with a lot of the “why you should switch to Piefed” rhetoric being based in bizarre “Tankie triad” conspiracism. "Stalin did nothing wrong and never killed millions!" "If you get killed by a brutal commie regime, that automatically makes you a counter-revolutionary who deserved it" From davel, an ML admin no less! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago (1 child) And that's part of why I'm not necessarily opposed to the idea of more diversity in the Fediverse space. But I do take umbridge with a lot of the "why you should switch to Piefed" rhetoric being based in bizarre "Tankie triad" conspiracism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Agent_Karyo@piefed.world -1 points 8 months ago* But I do take umbridge with a lot of the “why you should switch to Piefed” rhetoric being based in bizarre “Tankie triad” conspiracism. "Stalin did nothing wrong and never killed millions!" "If you get killed by a brutal commie regime, that automatically makes you a counter-revolutionary who deserved it" From davel, an ML admin no less! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Agent_Karyo@piefed.world -1 points 8 months ago* But I do take umbridge with a lot of the “why you should switch to Piefed” rhetoric being based in bizarre “Tankie triad” conspiracism. "Stalin did nothing wrong and never killed millions!" "If you get killed by a brutal commie regime, that automatically makes you a counter-revolutionary who deserved it" From davel, an ML admin no less! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ButtDrugs@lemmy.zip 9 points 8 months ago (2 children) That's open source for you. The biggest issue for things gaining traction is a million projects that all do the same thing "better". Look at Linux, if people are curious about "switching to Linux" all it takes is one comment thread somewhere to confuse then enough to bail on the idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago That's more a community and presentation problem than a fragmentation problem. If people could agree on objective criteria for recommending Linux distros to newbies, it wouldn't be so intimidating to them. Nobody criticizes Ford or Toyota for having "too many options" when they sell cars because they present those options as complementary and people see the variety as a good thing. Linux distros are often presented as competing products, even though for most of them that's not the case. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Psythik@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago That's more a community and presentation problem than a fragmentation problem. If people could agree on objective criteria for recommending Linux distros to newbies, it wouldn't be so intimidating to them. Nobody criticizes Ford or Toyota for having "too many options" when they sell cars because they present those options as complementary and people see the variety as a good thing. Linux distros are often presented as competing products, even though for most of them that's not the case. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DannyMac@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago It doesn't fracture anything, it is basically a Fediverse reader/writer. It's like opening a txt file in vim, emacs, or nano, they all read and write to that file type at the end of the day. Don't forget, there's also Kbin. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] RetroLemmings@retrolemmy.com -7 points 8 months ago (7 children) Because the Lemmy devs support genocide, love Stalin, and are transphobic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 months ago I miss the innocent days when I thought only right-wingers could be transphobic. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Psythik@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago* Oh. Oh no. permalink fedilink source parent [–] how_we_burned@lemmy.zip 1 point 8 months ago (3 children) Can you expand on this for a newbie? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] RetroLemmings@retrolemmy.com -2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children) The two devs Nutomic and Deslanies are pro-Russia anti-Ukraine tankies. One has a GitHub where he posts all his mind numbing theory and goes on about how the Uyghurs aren’t undergoing a genocide or Tiananmen Square never happened. The other has been caught multiple times making transphobic comments and just generally not giving a shit if transgender people are victims. Together with some other equally bad people they make up a trio of instances commonly referred to as the “tankie triad” (lemmygrad.ml, Lemmy.ml, and Hexbear.net) where they ban everyone who says critical things about Russia/China and generally push propaganda. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 3 points 8 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] how_we_burned@lemmy.zip 1 point 8 months ago So stay away from the “tankie triad” (lemmygrad.ml, Lemmy.ml, and Hexbear.net) Gotcha permalink fedilink source parent [+] Dayroom7485@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 months ago I miss the innocent days when I thought only right-wingers could be transphobic. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] how_we_burned@lemmy.zip 1 point 8 months ago (3 children) Can you expand on this for a newbie? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] RetroLemmings@retrolemmy.com -2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children) The two devs Nutomic and Deslanies are pro-Russia anti-Ukraine tankies. One has a GitHub where he posts all his mind numbing theory and goes on about how the Uyghurs aren’t undergoing a genocide or Tiananmen Square never happened. The other has been caught multiple times making transphobic comments and just generally not giving a shit if transgender people are victims. Together with some other equally bad people they make up a trio of instances commonly referred to as the “tankie triad” (lemmygrad.ml, Lemmy.ml, and Hexbear.net) where they ban everyone who says critical things about Russia/China and generally push propaganda. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 3 points 8 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] how_we_burned@lemmy.zip 1 point 8 months ago So stay away from the “tankie triad” (lemmygrad.ml, Lemmy.ml, and Hexbear.net) Gotcha permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RetroLemmings@retrolemmy.com -2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children) The two devs Nutomic and Deslanies are pro-Russia anti-Ukraine tankies. One has a GitHub where he posts all his mind numbing theory and goes on about how the Uyghurs aren’t undergoing a genocide or Tiananmen Square never happened. The other has been caught multiple times making transphobic comments and just generally not giving a shit if transgender people are victims. Together with some other equally bad people they make up a trio of instances commonly referred to as the “tankie triad” (lemmygrad.ml, Lemmy.ml, and Hexbear.net) where they ban everyone who says critical things about Russia/China and generally push propaganda. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 3 points 8 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] how_we_burned@lemmy.zip 1 point 8 months ago So stay away from the “tankie triad” (lemmygrad.ml, Lemmy.ml, and Hexbear.net) Gotcha permalink fedilink source parent
[–] how_we_burned@lemmy.zip 1 point 8 months ago So stay away from the “tankie triad” (lemmygrad.ml, Lemmy.ml, and Hexbear.net) Gotcha permalink fedilink source parent