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[–] xavier666@lemmy.umucat.day [S] 35 points 7 months ago

"Don't you guys have internet?"

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[–] pycorax@sh.itjust.works 5 points 7 months ago

Considering this is very clearly targeted enterprise, there's probably some sector of a company that works on data that's only in the cloud anyways. They're likely the ones asking for this. I highly doubt this would become a norm across the enterprise.

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[+] Fizz@lemmy.nz -34 points 7 months ago (34 children)

yes but how often does your internet go down? I agree with the sentiment and I hate this but we should think about this from an average user perspective when we make our argument. Internet doesnt go down, I've had more electricity outages than internet outages in the past 5 years. if you live in a city its a rare thing.

The reason why people shouldnt want this in my opinion is not because its day to day worse but because its worse long term. These companies will offer it at a low price to entice you then yank the rug out from under you. You will never be safe with an option like this because at any time it can be taken from you and one day there might not be an alternative market of computers to purchase.

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[–] flightyhobler@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago (7 children)

Congratulations. My home internet was down the whole day yesterday. My power goes out at least once or twice per month due to the current nature of the power line structure. I live in Europe.

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[–] timwa@lemmy.snowgoons.ro 3 points 7 months ago

Yeah, that’s not very typical, I’d like to make that point.

I live in (Eastern) Europe.

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[+] Fizz@lemmy.nz -9 points 7 months ago (5 children)

This product is aimed at people who live in places with reliable infra. (no offense intended)

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[–] AndyMFK@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Name a single country with no power outages

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 0 points 7 months ago (3 children)

You do realise power outages affect regular PC users and cloud PC users all the same.

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[–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

And yet, most consumers use laptops with build in batteries. A power outage doesn't stop them dead most of the time. It will for Windows 365 users. You're doing an awful lot of sugar coating for someone that claims to be against this product.

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[–] Ibuthyr@lemmy.wtf 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

I can't work on a laptop. Might as well just use a shitty tablet instead. I'll use a desktop PC, thank you very much.

Also, in the last 20 years I have experienced 2 power outages. One took about 3 hours to fix, which was spooky but also very cool, the other was in January this year and lasted for about 30 minutes. It's really not a problem.

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[–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 months ago

I am with you on not using a laptop, but as I said, the majority of people do so. My experience is quite different. In the last 20 years I tend to have several power outages a year, and I have lived in multiple cities/states. My home is filled with excessive battery backups because of this and are fine unless the outages exceed a few hours, which annoyingly the outages in my new home/area tend to do (the longest was nearly two days :( ).

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 22 points 7 months ago (3 children)

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz -1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

If thats happening you got bigger problems

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 14 points 7 months ago (1 child)

It's especially in those situations (like with climate warming, increasing political unrest and top-down control) that you want a working system. And also that connectivity is one of the first things to go down.

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz -2 points 7 months ago*

You realise that windows already does this and you can still work without internet. The way the sign in tokens works does not require 100% internet connection.

I hate the idea of a cloud OS but I also dont care about society collapsing as an argument.

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[–] Zier@fedia.io 21 points 7 months ago

8 days ago when Cloudflare bunked up my ISP.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago (4 children)

The dodgy WiFi gear from my fiber provider requires a hard re-set at least once a week. I had to do that just today.

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz -2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I have no idea how you put up with that. I would not accept that from any ISP router. If my ISP router has any issue I can ship it back for free and receive a brand new one a few days later. There should also be options for bringing your own router.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

Fiber gear is a little different and I'd rather deal with this than the bullshit data caps and price hike games with Comcast. 😉

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[–] dogdeanafternoon@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

I have fiber, can’t even remember the last time my internet went down. It’s not a fiber thing, it sounds like a shitty hardware thing.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

It's definitely a shitty hardware thing.

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[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago (5 children)

yes but how often does your internet go down?

I have a 1Gb connection. I work in software development. I live in a nice neighbourhood. My internet goes down all the time.

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[–] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

I live in a major city that's been carved up by the local monopolists like a turkey, and none of them have even installed coverage in all the areas they've claimed and which their "competitors" won't touch. Some people just can't have a good connection because of their address.

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz -3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Im sorry to hear that. Maybe this is a product aimed at 1st world countries. Expected downtime for 1st world countries is normally under an hour a year and I think people can live with that.

If your internet is shit you do not need to buy this.

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[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I do live in a 1st world country. I enjoy socialized (free) health care. And actually my country has some of the best internet in the developed world.

Maybe this is a product aimed at 1st world countries.

I guess that rules out the USA.

Expected downtime for 1st world countries is normally under an hour a year

Citation needed.

If your internet is shit you do not need to buy this.

Nobody should buy this.

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[–] dogdeanafternoon@lemmy.ca 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

If your internet is going down all the time it’s definitely not “some of the best in the world”.

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[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

My specific issue is a buried line at some point between my house and the next ISP demark. I did say "all the time", but that was hyperbolic. It only goes down when it rains or when snow is melting, which suggests a cable somewhere is cracked and water gets in and degrades the signal.

It happens maybe once a week in the spring, and is back as soon as I reboot the router.

But your assertion that just because a single person's internet goes down that the entire country's internet is not "the best" is childish and a reductionist argument.

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[–] lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago (3 children)

yes but how often does your internet go down?

About once a month. Not for very long, but it is an annoyance. Xfinity usually does maintenance between 1am and 2am, and the Internet will be out for about 30 minutes to an hour. About once a year it goes down for at least half a day.

My OS hasn't gone down at all in 20 years. I don't want that to change. If an OS stops working for an hour once a month for maintenance, it's a piece of refried shit.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

"Now updating, please wait!"

I mean, technically not "down" but not exactly usable either. 😉

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz -2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

im sorry your ISP is dogshit. I dont think anyone in your area will want to buy this product.

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[–] lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

That's the problem. Comcast is famous in the US for being utter dogshit. So is ATT. And that's pretty much our choices.

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[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 7 months ago (3 children)

What happens if the local ISP/electrical/whatever decides there need for maintenance?
Not every company can afford redundant high speed internet.

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz -2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Ok your internet goes down for a few hours and life moves on. Its not the end of the world.

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[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

Didnt know a company that relies on the internet can just move on lmao.
That could some cost their job. But hey, just move on (งツ)ว

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 point 7 months ago

They have no choice but to move on. The aws outage took most things offline and everyone moved on. Half the people in this thread say their internet goes down weekly. 99.99999% uptime is a meme that very few companies actually require.

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[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

I think your opening statement is getting you down votes.

This tech isn't aimed at consumers, it is for business users where the business has decided to deploy remote windows servers for their employees.

I wouldn't want one of these as a daily home pc.

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz -1 points 7 months ago

I understand and expect down votes. I am on the same wavelength as most people here. I am just trying to offer some commentary that isnt the same 100x repeated X bad perspective.

I actually asked for something exactly like this at my work a few years ago. I was like why the fuck are we buying 1000 machines when we can run all these desks as VMs off our servers. We didnt end up doing it but I still think its a decent idea for business.

For consumers its a very good value proposition but a horrible trap.