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Opinion: Think that next refresh is going to get better? The first step to freedom is admitting there's a problem

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[–] MudMan@fedia.io 19 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Windows 11 isn't even on the top 3 worst iterations of Windows.

I think MS shot itself in the foot by doing the whole "we'll just iterate on this one forever" pivot to data gathering thing. At least in the good old days of Windows Me they could point at the next refresh as a clean break, even if it wasn't.

I ran Windows Me for maybe a year, by the way. Mostly out of morbid curiosity. It wasn't even that bad, as I remember it.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 17 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Windows 11 isn't even on the top 3 worst iterations of Windows.

In terms of spyware and enshittification it sure as Hell is!

And that's the measure that matters here: not mistakes, but deliberate abuse of the user.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Windows 10 is also a privacy nightmare and also has Edge, One drive and ads.

Windows 11 has some nice features and you can use Group Policy to clean it up a bit.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 1 points 4 hours ago

This is very true. There is a very weird endorsement from the Linux community of Windows 10 I do not align with at all. It's basically the exact same thing.

Especially since a lot of the less palatable features have been patched in backwards fairly dilligently. I use both routinely and there is little functional difference.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Speak for yourself. I'd rather take spyware and enshittification than whatever Windows 8 was.

I can get rid of the spyware and I was never going to use copilot anyway. Vista was Vista all the way through.

[–] vapeloki@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

At this point, Windows itself is the Spyware. Forced cloud Accounts, AI Features embedded so deeply into the windows core that you can not longer remove it.

The only intro get rid of it is installing Linux or buying a mac

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 1 points 4 hours ago

A Mac? To avoid "forced cloud accounts and embedded AI features"?

MS is out here pointing at Apple and going "I learned it from you, dad!" when it comes to those.

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

ME was the last version of windows with a true DOS mode with native network support. That was a big deal for LAN gamers at the time

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 1 points 4 hours ago

Look, I was moving over from 98 and had been messing with 2000. When it came to choosing between constant blue screens or zero software compatibility it was a three way tie.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago

Shocking to see a person always defending windows and hating Linux saying this. Shocking!

[–] fox@hexbear.net 1 points 19 hours ago

I think in terms of damage 11 is up there since it won't work on systems without TPMs, but 10 is also approaching EOS, so an ocean of machines are about to become ewaste or malware vectors.