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Opinion: Think that next refresh is going to get better? The first step to freedom is admitting there's a problem

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[–] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 7 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

It's interesting to see something as mainstream as The Register seriously suggest folks start ditching Windows and their preferred alternative seems to be Linux. Perhaps the year of the Linux Desktop won't forever be "next year".

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -2 points 10 hours ago

Does it matter though? Just use what you want to use.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 19 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

Windows 11 isn't even on the top 3 worst iterations of Windows.

I think MS shot itself in the foot by doing the whole "we'll just iterate on this one forever" pivot to data gathering thing. At least in the good old days of Windows Me they could point at the next refresh as a clean break, even if it wasn't.

I ran Windows Me for maybe a year, by the way. Mostly out of morbid curiosity. It wasn't even that bad, as I remember it.

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

ME was the last version of windows with a true DOS mode with native network support. That was a big deal for LAN gamers at the time

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 1 points 3 hours ago

Look, I was moving over from 98 and had been messing with 2000. When it came to choosing between constant blue screens or zero software compatibility it was a three way tie.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 17 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Windows 11 isn't even on the top 3 worst iterations of Windows.

In terms of spyware and enshittification it sure as Hell is!

And that's the measure that matters here: not mistakes, but deliberate abuse of the user.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Windows 10 is also a privacy nightmare and also has Edge, One drive and ads.

Windows 11 has some nice features and you can use Group Policy to clean it up a bit.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 1 points 3 hours ago

This is very true. There is a very weird endorsement from the Linux community of Windows 10 I do not align with at all. It's basically the exact same thing.

Especially since a lot of the less palatable features have been patched in backwards fairly dilligently. I use both routinely and there is little functional difference.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Speak for yourself. I'd rather take spyware and enshittification than whatever Windows 8 was.

I can get rid of the spyware and I was never going to use copilot anyway. Vista was Vista all the way through.

[–] vapeloki@lemmy.world 6 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

At this point, Windows itself is the Spyware. Forced cloud Accounts, AI Features embedded so deeply into the windows core that you can not longer remove it.

The only intro get rid of it is installing Linux or buying a mac

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 1 points 3 hours ago

A Mac? To avoid "forced cloud accounts and embedded AI features"?

MS is out here pointing at Apple and going "I learned it from you, dad!" when it comes to those.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago

Shocking to see a person always defending windows and hating Linux saying this. Shocking!

[–] fox@hexbear.net 1 points 19 hours ago

I think in terms of damage 11 is up there since it won't work on systems without TPMs, but 10 is also approaching EOS, so an ocean of machines are about to become ewaste or malware vectors.

[–] Tiger@sh.itjust.works 7 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I’m paying Microsoft $9 a month for something and I can’t find out what and can’t cancel it. I’m going to have to nuke my credit card to get it to stop and I don’t even know if that’ll work.

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago

sounds like a forgotten minecraft realms host

[–] realcaseyrollins@narwhal.city 8 points 21 hours ago

It's literally an operating system

[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 7 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Windows might be a habit, but Microsoft is doing a pretty good job in breaking this habit. Many rather jump ship than make the move to Windows 11.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 10 hours ago

Windows 11 is better than Windows 10 from my experience

It has lots of Microsoft induced pain but it also has a Terminal and good support for modern stuff.

[–] AsslessChaps@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 23 hours ago

According to physiology, a bad habit becomes an addiction when it negatively impacts your life.

It’s already an addiction.

[–] the_swagmaster@lemmy.zip 2 points 19 hours ago

Given the number of windows machines that exist, isn't it already an addiction?

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world -4 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Ok then you linux nerds should put together a drop in replacement distro that grannies can use

Until then you will always be hobbyists

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

What's wrong with it being for "hobbyists?"

It is great for anyone who wants to actual have control over there own computing. It isn't and never was for "grannies"

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world -2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Until you can get the grannies to adopt, linux will always be a novelty for desktops

That's the point I was trying to make

And in true linux fanatic fashion, you are incapable of understanding just how terrible a product linux in general is

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

By that logic it will always be a novelty

The thing is, the real Linux user base isn't granny. It is the users who are interested in computers or computer related things. Linux isn't for everybody but it isn't a novelty either. Being a novelty would mean it is has no functional value which isn't the case as it does have some market share.

Also there is no reason granny can't be a computer nerd

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The 'real' linux user should be everyone, that's the point

[–] BussyGyatt@feddit.org 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

maybe the real linux was in our hearts all along

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world -1 points 4 hours ago

Maybe the real market leader desktop OS is one you don't need to spend a quarter of all your waking hours learning how to maintenance.

[–] Suoko@feddit.it 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

ChromeOS preferred young students to grannies actually. 😌

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Generous to call that an OS

[–] Suoko@feddit.it 1 points 4 hours ago

Mind the upcoming Snapdragon Chromebooks...

[–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Like Mint?
Although there are probably some better ones specially for old people.

But Linux is usually pretty easy for old people, as not much needs to be done after setting it up and it just keeps running.

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Mint as easy as it is is not a drop in replacement