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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (7 children)

I loved the 100's of 'leaked' mugshots from a few years ago of the 'prisoners'. This was with them probably.
From Adrian Zenz the religious nut and rabid Sinophobe

All quite good generic Uyghur faces but with a button in weird places and other anomalies what we know recognize as AI artefacts.
Didn't even bother to do some Photoshopping.

BTW don't they have orange suits in Guantanamo where they hold Uyghur terrorists?

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[–] DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago* (6 children)

FWIW, I got it from wp:Persecution of Uyghurs in China; though yes, both the extreme left and extreme right tend not to like Wikipedia.

As it's a non-free image, I think it's intentionally degraded in order to better argue fair use.

Also, FWIW for any lurker: wp:Adrian Zenz.

Maybe the Uighur genocide should be put into wv:Category:Wikidebates.

The Guantanamo detentions are, of course, unjust, as was the state-sanctioned murder of Osama bin Ladan (who should have been tried in the US proper, with Bill of Rights followed (but alas, Obama had an election to win)).

That said, I don't think 100 000s, much less millions, have gone to re-education camps in Guantanamo;

and yes, the Chinese commies will say that the Uighurs weren't extracted from Central Asia, like America has extracted many from that area—I'll grant them that; but as I'm a bit sympathetic to anarchism and at times regard nation-states as fictions, state cults, with 100s of millions of adherents, it's somewhat of a moot point to me.

It's like the current US-Iran war: they're both wrong, and I wish neither Trump and Hegseth, nor the theo-fascists who rule Iran, success.

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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago (5 children)

Indeed, ALL the anti-China Uyghur propaganda traces back to 'guided by God' Adrian Zenz.
And wikipedia is indeed garbage for anything political since it's easily manipulated and astroturfed.
Does knowing that simple fact make you extreme?

That said, I don’t think 100 000s, much less millions, have gone to re-education camps in Guantanamo

I'm sure you have evidence for those numbers.
And of the 'genocide'.
Palestine is massively controlled and has much lower smartphone ownership rate.
Yet videos from atrocities reach us all the time.
Where are those from Xinjiang? Double the population.

Yes China has jails and prisoners, also in Xinjiang, shocker!
Because they have criminals like everywhere else.
Even terrorists, funded as always by the west to serve a purpose, as in Syria and Somalia,etc...

When they hijack planes, bomb buses and do suicide attacks they get put in jail.
Has China do everything perfectly and with velvet gloves? Probably not.
Nobody's perfect.
The situation has been under control for a long time now and the vast majority are normal people living normal lives.
Of course the western propaganda machine exagerated, lied and keeps milking this now non-issue.
As they verifiably lie about any country they don't like.

Obama had indeed an election to win.
If they really got Bin Laden after 15 years I'm sure they would've showned the videos of the heroic raid all day long.
But nothing.
And if you believe the batshit crazy story that they took his body but somehow for some reason decided to throw his body overboard I have some land to sell you.

And no, Iran is not wrong, only the aggressor the US.
But anarchists wouldn't know better and for some reason they always end up fighting some "authoritarian regime' taking the side of the authoritarian imperialist western regime.

But anyway you believe what you want and maybe you'll inform yourself and possibly grow out of the edgy teen anarchist fase.
If you're older then you might be a lost cause.
Anyway enough said.
Bye

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[–] DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago* (4 children)

Indeed, ALL the anti-China Uyghur propaganda traces back to ‘guided by God’ Adrian Zenz.

Are you saying that if it wasn't for him, all this talk about the Uighur genocide wouldn't be going on?

And wikipedia is indeed garbage for anything political since it’s easily manipulated and astroturfed.

Could you provide ≥3 examples of easy manipulation and astroturfing, please?

Are you saying when Wikipedia says mean things about Hitler or Trump, I shouldn't believe it?

Does knowing that simple fact make you extreme?

Is it a simple fact?

That said, I don’t think 100 000s, much less millions, have gone to re-education camps in Guantanamo

I’m sure you have evidence for those numbers.

I don't, which of course necessarily means that millions indeed have gone to re-education camps in Guantanamo. 😏

Palestine is massively controlled and has much lower smartphone ownership rate.

I think Israel, as bad as it is, has (or at least until recently had) freer speech than the PRC. Hamas can probably smuggle things out. Also presumably if one went 20 km east or west from any part of Gaza or the West Bank, one would be either in Israel proper, the Mediterranean, or Jordan.

Travel 10x that distance from Ürümqi, and one will probably still be in the PRC.

I wonder if a chip could be inserted into a baseball and thrown over the wall into Israel.

Because they have criminals like everywhere else.

and probably real criminals mixed in with those who are persecuted politically.

Thank you for the link.

There is evidence indicating that ETIM members also took steps to plan attacks against the interests of the United States, including the United States Embassy in Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan.

Some of these articles look interesting. I might read them.

wp:Turkistan Islamic Party

wp:East Turkestan independence movement

wp:East Turkestan People's Revolutionary Party

wp:United Revolutionary Front of East Turkestan

Also, how does the West fund Uighurs, with China's ubiquitous surveillance?

If they really got Bin Laden after 15 years I’m sure they would’ve showned the videos of the heroic raid all day long.

Okay, good point.

So are you saying that bin Laden's still alive?

Does Wikipedia has anything to say about this (even though you say it's "indeed garbage for anything political")? Let's see:

wp:Osama bin Laden death conspiracy theories

I guess you think this article is garbage too.

(my bold)

And if you believe the batshit crazy story that they took his body but somehow for some reason decided to throw his body overboard I have some land to sell you.

You do?!? Please give me details!

And no, Iran is not wrong, only the aggressor the US.

Do you support the Islamo-fascists?

But anarchists wouldn’t know better and for some reason they always end up fighting some "authoritarian regime’ taking the side of the authoritarian imperialist western regime.

I ain't fighting for the US, though they seem to treat women, LGBTQIs, and those of other religions, or those with no religions, better, or far less badly, than they do in the theo-fascist ISLAMIC Republic of Iran. If citing that makes me a stooge of Western imperialism, then I guess that'd make me a Western imperialist.

But anyway you believe what you want and maybe you’ll inform yourself and possibly grow out of the edgy teen anarchist fase.

I think you misspelled "phase".

Bye

Goodnight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol9_0schMHs

2:01

😁🙂

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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

Are you saying that if it wasn’t for him, all this talk about the Uighur genocide wouldn’t be going on?

Who knows, there are plenty agencies and paid actors in the west who constantly write and invent China bad stories.
You could certainly be one of them since you use all the cheap tricks they use.
Recognizable if you read all the trolling handbooks from GCHQ,hasbara units,etc... which I have.

You fail to provide the evidence of your claims as I asked and try to place the burden on me and deflect.

Could you provide ≥3 examples of easy manipulation and astroturfing, please? Are you saying when Wikipedia says mean things about Hitler or Trump, I shouldn’t believe it?

See, that's what I'm talking about, 2 of the known tricks.
1 return the question for evidence
2 the classic "are you saying..." followed by nonsense I didn't say. (use of fallacies)

But I'll answer you anyway since it's easy.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericgoldman/2012/10/05/wikipedias-pay-for-play-scandal-highlights-wikipedias-vulnerabilities/ https://tankie.tube/w/48uvLWEKJM8fvSyiSupXf4 https://x.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1626367075965960193
https://www.vice.com/en/article/political-staffers-tried-to-delete-the-senate-scandal-and-other-bad-behaviour-from-wikipedia/

There are plenty more examples.
There are complete websites dedicated to exposing Wikipedia.

Really anyone referring to WP as a credible source can't be taken seriously.
They are at best childishly naive and don't know how to look up actual sources but mostly they are bad faith actors.
As credible as those who link to 'articles' from western sources about their enemies and their proof is : "(anonymous) sources say" , "it is believed",....
Simple mouthpieces and an insult to journalistic standards and conventions.

Also, how does the West fund Uighurs, with China’s ubiquitous surveillance?

And here we go again with the propaganda claims of "ubiquitous surveillance"
Think it's hard to get money to groups?
How did they fund the Taliban, Somalian terrorists or their good friend, the headchopper Jolani in Syria?
Is it hard to fund them when they can even get from China all the way to Syria, where they to this day massacre minorities?

So are you saying that bin Laden’s still alive?

Oh look, another "are you saying" fallacy followed by putting words into my mouth.
Yes, he's hiding and sometimes seen with Elvis in Las Vegas!
In case you never noticed, this guy was old and never looked healthy.
He was a kidney patient and in those 15 years 'missing' he probably died of kidney failure.
So nothing spectacular or conspiracy theories.
This was reported by many sources, including his wives who said he had apparently recovered from two kidney operations.
Of course 'US intelligence sources' the most credible people on the planet deny this.
Otherwise their Hollywood capture mission wouldn't fly.

If you really are acting in good faith I suggest you inform yourself better and look up multiple and credible sources before you make claims and form an opinion.

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[–] DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

You fail to provide the evidence of your claims as I asked and try to place the burden on me and deflect.

You mean when I put, "That said, I don’t think 100 000s, much less millions, have gone to re-education camps in Guantanamo;"?

Yeah, I don't have hard evidence for that.

I'll also say that Cuba's south of Tijuana, but I haven't checked a map to make sure.

Could you provide ≥3 examples of easy manipulation and astroturfing, please? Are you saying when Wikipedia says mean things about Hitler or Trump, I shouldn’t believe it?

See, that’s what I’m talking about, 2 of the known tricks.

1 return the question for evidence

2 the classic “are you saying…” followed by nonsense I didn’t say. (use of fallacies)

But I’ll answer you anyway since it’s easy.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericgoldman/2012/10/05/wikipedias-pay-for-play-scandal-highlights-wikipedias-vulnerabilities/

That 13 year-old article seems to indicate that attempts were made, but doesn't seem to provide examples.

https://tankie.tube/w/48uvLWEKJM8fvSyiSupXf4

Tankie Tube?!? Why not. I wonder how many of its videos are also on Rumble and Bitchute.

But yeah, I suppose the Zionists are trying to influence Wikipedia. Ditto anti-Zionists.

I wonder how many times have they tried to edit articles such as wp:Gaza genocide.

By your standards, as it's from Wikipedia, it must be a garbage article.

https://x.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1626367075965960193

This links to Shitler!

wp:Azov Brigade

Didn't some commies in the early days use swastikas?

But yeah, their existence alone justified the Russian invasion.

Ukrainians must bow to the Kremlin yet again.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/political-staffers-tried-to-delete-the-senate-scandal-and-other-bad-behaviour-from-wikipedia/

Political Staffers Tried to Delete the Senate Scandal (and Other Bad Behaviour) from Wikipedia

This article is 12 years old.

They tried.

apparently:

192.197.82.203 made this edit:

Revision as of 17:36, 10 July 2013 edit undo

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pamela_Wallin&diff=prev&oldid=563694386

Revision as of 17:49, 10 July 2013 edit undo

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pamela_Wallin&diff=next&oldid=563694853

So I guess over 15 years ago this edit was reversed in under 13¼ minutes.

There are plenty more examples.

There are complete websites dedicated to exposing Wikipedia.

https://wikipediasucks.co/forum/

What about Wikireview?

Here's a frickin' long article:

wp:Criticism of Wikipedia.

Also, wp:Category:Criticism of Wikipedia has 18 pages and a subcat.

wp:Adolf Hitler

Hitler and the Nazis were also responsible for the deliberate killing of an estimated 19.3 million civilians and prisoners of war. In addition, 28.7 million soldiers and civilians died as a result of military action in the European theatre. The number of civilians killed during World War II was unprecedented in warfare, and the casualties make it the deadliest conflict in history.

What garbage! Don't you agree?

(Because, you know, as you put it, Wikipedia is garbage.)

Really anyone referring to WP as a credible source can’t be taken seriously. [ ... ] Simple mouthpieces and an insult to journalistic standards and conventions.

No offense, but while Wikipedia isn't gospel, it's quick enough for me.

Also, how does the West fund Uighurs, with China’s ubiquitous surveillance?

And here we go again with the propaganda claims of “ubiquitous surveillance”

Big Brother protects them.

How do Chinese people view surveillance cameras? #China

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pbdaFM4uvvQ

Think it’s hard to get money to groups?

How did they fund the Taliban, Somalian terrorists or their good friend, the headchopper Jolani in Syria?

Is it hard to fund them when they can even get from China all the way to Syria, where they to this day massacre minorities?

Red China probably has more and stricter border controls, has been around for several decades, and the government seems to control the population more.

So are you saying that bin Laden’s still alive?

Oh look, another “are you saying” fallacy followed by putting words into my mouth.

Yes, he’s hiding and sometimes seen with Elvis in Las Vegas!

In case you never noticed, this guy was old and never looked healthy.

He was a kidney patient and in those 15 years ‘missing’ he probably died of kidney failure.

So nothing spectacular or conspiracy theories.

This was reported by many sources, including his wives who said he had apparently recovered from two kidney operations.

Of course ‘US intelligence sources’ the most credible people on the planet deny this.

Otherwise their Hollywood capture mission wouldn’t fly.

First off, some might take issue with you calling someone under 55 years of age "old."

Not only do I hope that you celibate your 55th birthday, when it comes, as a person with much vigor and vitality, but that there's a good chance you will. (If you eat right, exercise, listen to your doctor, maybe take supplements, and don't be a terrorist, you might be able to run 100 meters in under 20 seconds and blow out all the candles in 2 tries, maybe 1.)

The way I figure it, you are denying that he died in that reported assassination, which means he either lived, or he died earlier, and I guess further that you're saying that he died earlier.

Okay.

I'm not going to argue this with you because it sounds a bit credible.

What if the US murdered him in their operation?

What if he died before?

What if he lived, perhaps still lives, either quietly, or in some black room?

Does it change my view of the US?

Not really.

Thank you for your valid points in this.

I'll keep it in mind.

If you really are acting in good faith I suggest you inform yourself better and look up multiple and credible sources before you make claims and form an opinion.

Yes, but I have a life to live, and perhaps time spent on such research, while perhaps fruitful, might yet be better spent on other things.

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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

looks like you have plenty of time for research if you would want to, since you have time for elaborate replies.
Even if they are again full of your cheap tricks.
Like going on about a Hitler article which has nothing to do with anything.
Look I founds something that's true on Wikipedia, therefore your claims of all the proven manipulation are false!
Trup says his name is Donald, therefore he always speaks the truth.
That's really pathetic and plain wrong, you argue like an infant.

If "quick enough" is more important to you than factual that says enough.
It would explain why you are wrong on most things.

And again make more baseless claims:

Red China probably has more and stricter border controls, has been around for several decades, and the government seems to control the population more.

It's the size of Europe, and people can go in and out.
Uyghur terrorists being in Syria is a well established fact.
You denying that they wouldn't be able to is laughable.

As laughable as your YT camera video, what's this supposed to prove?
Have you heard of England with it's massive CCTV network since the 50's?
Big brother!

As usual you use fallacies: attacking the source.
Oh no Tankietube!
It is real information or do you think the evil commies made an AI video of that Bennett and that other rat?
As if it's not enough you therow in a whataboutism "the anti- genociders do it too!"
Well they don't since they don't have to lie, they simply can write the facts of the genocide.
See, you're starting to sound more and more like a hasbarat.

And that picture with the swastika, what's that supposed to prove?
First it's not sourced and again irrelevant to anything I said.

Somehow the fact I use that example where Wikipedia is manipulated to remove their nazi ideology is reason to write this nonsense:

But yeah, their existence alone justified the Russian invasion.

Well no, a western backed nazi coup with the US directly what nazis would be in their puppet government followed by fascist batallions, such as Azov, Sich, Tornado, Misantrophic division and many more who bombed the eastern ethnic Russians for 8 years causing 14000 deaths and the risk of the imperialist NATO putting nukes so close to Russia it would be impossible to defend against.

If you really want to go there and defend these nazi scumbags you'll have to substantially upgrade your game, you're failing as it is.
Your tricks are transparent, and arguments make no sense and deflections.
Not gonna waste my time debunking your clear nonsense and fallacies.
If you are a hasbarat I suggest you take the advice of your own trolling handbook.
I quote: "when found out or out of your depth, leave"

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[–] DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago

looks like you have plenty of time for research if you would want to, since you have time for elaborate replies.

I suppose I have some time for such.

Even if they are again full of your cheap tricks.

Like going on about a Hitler article which has nothing to do with anything.

Look I founds something that’s true on Wikipedia, therefore your claims of all the proven manipulation are false!

Wikipedia is garbage. You should believe nothing it says.

Trup says his name is Donald, therefore he always speaks the truth.

That’s really pathetic and plain wrong, you argue like an infant.

Wikipedia seems to say that Hitler is bad.

Trump says he's a great leader.

Perhaps both statements are garbage due to one is lying Trump and the other is garbage Wikipedia.

And again make more baseless claims:

Red China probably has more and stricter border controls, has been around for several decades, and the government seems to control the population more.

It’s the size of Europe, and people can go in and out.

Presumably most of those in the wp:Schengen Area can travel anywhere in the Schengen Area—at least that's what's in this Wikipedia article, but don't believe it because Wikipedia is garbage.

Presumably many of those in the PRC can travel anywhere in the PRC.

However, I think Syrians would have some difficulties in trying to get into either.

You denying that they wouldn’t be able to is laughable.

I don't think Uighurs from Syria would have an easy time going into the PRC.

Have you heard of England with it’s massive CCTV network since the 50’s?

Big brother!

That ain't good either, but at least you can carry a sign saying that the British PM is bad.

As usual you use fallacies: attacking the source. ...

[...]

... See, you’re starting to sound more and more like a hasbarat.

You're saying that the WP is tainted, or seriously tainted, because some Zionists are making organized efforts to turn WP articles into propaganda doesn't necessarily mean that they've succeeded.

I didn't bother to watch the video completely because I'm not questioning the veracity of the clip, other than make fun of tankies.

Let's say it's true.

Again, I don't think it cites the success of the Zionists, only their attempts.

And that picture with the swastika, what’s that supposed to prove?

First it’s not sourced and again irrelevant to anything I said.

Somehow the fact I use that example where Wikipedia is manipulated to remove their nazi ideology is reason to write this nonsense:

The WP article refers to its Nazism, or possible Nazism.

They talk a lot about it here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=1289301350#RFC:_Can_we_refer_to_the_Azov_formation_as_%22far-right%22_in_the_lede?

Would this make you feel better?

prolewiki:Azov Battalion

The Assault Brigade "Azov", also known as the Azov Battalion, Azov Regiment, or Azov Special Operations Detachment, is a neo-Nazi[1] Ukrainian militia trained, funded and armed by the United States[2][3][4], Canada,[5] and the United Kingdom.[6] In September 2022, members of the Azov Battalion met with the U.S. Congress.[7]

Six months after being founded, it was incorporated into Ukraine's official National Guard.[8] They have fought against Russia and pro-Russian rebels in Donbas.[9]

Andriy Biletskyy, the battalion's first commander, said he wants Ukraine to lead a crusade of "white races" against "Semite-led Untermenschen [subhumans]."[10][11]

Well no, a western backed nazi coup with the US directly what nazis would be in their puppet government followed by fascist batallions,

wp:Viktor Yanukovych#Removal from presidency

In the afternoon, the Rada voted 328–0 (about 73% of its 447 members) to remove Yanukovych from his post and to schedule an early presidential election for 25 May.[251][252]

such as Azov, Sich, Tornado, Misantrophic division and many more who bombed the eastern ethnic Russians for 8 years causing 14000 deaths and the risk of the imperialist NATO putting nukes so close to Russia it would be impossible to defend against.

I agree with the sentiments. When some people in a region of a country openly revolt, the national government should just let it happen, and if they attack the rebels and civilians get hurt or killed, it'd be entirely the fault of the national government.

If you really want to go there and defend these nazi scumbags you’ll have to substantially upgrade your game, you’re failing as it is.

Upgrades can be good.

Your tricks are transparent, and arguments make no sense and deflections.

Are you saying that arguments make no sense?

Not gonna waste my time debunking your clear nonsense and fallacies.

You're not required to waste time.

If you are a hasbarat I suggest you take the advice of your own trolling handbook.

"If".

I quote: “when found out or out of your depth, leave”

I tend to agree with the 2nd half of your statement.

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