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Punish the Democrats, she says (europe.pub)
submitted 6 months ago by to c/leopardsatemyface@lemmy.world
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[–] 7 points 6 months ago* (18 children)

With party leadership being like it is, "everyone just needs to be nicer to each other" is functionally identical to "resign yourself to permanent irrelevancy while the people who supported genocide tell you who to vote for."

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  • [–] -3 points 6 months ago (17 children)

    I had something more like "try to approach liberals with kindness and understanding" in mind.

    Because the current approach doesn't seem to be working.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (16 children)

    I had something more like “try to approach liberals with kindness and understanding” in mind.

    You expect no behavior change from the genocide-and-nothing-else wing.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (15 children)

    The party leadership? I don't. The voter base, though...

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (14 children)

    The voter base, though…

    You expect the anti-genocide voters to be kind to everyone who supports genocide, with no alteration in behavior from the latter whatsoever.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (13 children)

    I think most Democrat voters don't explicitly support genocide. (And no, voting for the "lesser evil" doesn't count.)

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (12 children)

    Centrist democrats support absolutely nothing else.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    How many Democrat voters do you know?

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (10 children)

    I've met enough to know that centrists demand unquestioning support of genocidal candidates. You go down that road, it defines you as a person in your entirety forever.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    I guess America is cooked, then - because you have what, 10, maybe 15 percent leftists (if I'm being really generous)?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (8 children)

    Gloat harder. You got what you wanted.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (7 children)

    I am neither gloating, nor is this what I want.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Then maybe tell me how centrists should change their behavior. So far, all you've said is that the left needs to be kind to the genocide wing no matter what they do.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    The same thing - show kindness and understanding instead of attacking you for "letting Trump win."

    It would also be great if they made an effort to primary candidates one can vote FOR instead of relying on WBNMW and delaying the inevitable (which, as I said, will likely lead to an even worse Republican presidency.

    But getting them to vote third party/not at all doesn't seem possible at the moment... because they don't believe something better is possible. See this reply to my comment as an example.

    And you could try reasoning with them, but... haven't you been trying that already? Unfortunately, most people don't go by reason.

    Maybe they need to be shown that something better is possible.

    They need hope in a better future one can pursue.

    We all do.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    It would also be great if they made an effort to primary candidates one can vote FOR instead of relying on WBNMW and delaying the inevitable (which, as I said, will likely lead to an even worse Republican presidency.

    Centrists ejected David Hogg from the party for trying to do that. The Democratic Party didn't spend a decade sabotaging the primary process, to the point where they now just expect to appoint a centrist and order everyone to vote for them, just to let the left stroll in with candidates people want to vote for.

    Maybe they need to be shown that something better is possible.

    They know something better is possible. They oppose anything better.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I'm not sure if I said it before, but I'm talking about the voters, not the party.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    You did. I have no faith in the centrist wing of the party. I've talked to too many of them.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child)

    And they (voters) have no faith that anything better is possible. Yes, there is likely propaganda at play. Unfortunately, outright telling someone they are under influence of propaganda usually only makes it worse.

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